Ex Muslim - Indoctrination
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Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationHey guys,
I used to be a Muslim and grew into a Muslim family.
The Islamic community does not seem to appreciate the light of science, and they would rather follow unscientific methods. They would indoctrinate children at such a age, and at those ages, they are the most vulnerable to indoctrination. Being indoctrinated at a such a age proves to be an difficult time for many people transiting into adulthood. According to most people's observation, the process explained above repeats all over again.
I'm 20 years old, and yet I'm seem to be expected to pray five times a day, and do other sort of Islamic tasks. I was wondering if there are anyone else who can share some thoughts regarding their own experience in being indoctrinated at such a young age, Christians, Jews, Muslims and any other faiths.
Bring on the negs man - Intellectual discussions don't hurtLast edited by Ingenium; 27-07-2012 at 12:11. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationWhy is that relevant?
Don't worry about your family. Tell them you're an atheist and leave it at that. Don't try to get them to think like you. It never works and will only make your relationship worse.
It is not only the Islamic community that follows unscientific methods. The very basis of religion is faith, and faith by definition excludes evidence. Therefore all religions are fundamentally unscientific .
Also, prepare for the incoming negs. You might even break the record for number of negs on the first post
EDIT: Why so many negs? I don't think I said anything remotely offensive.Last edited by Pinkhead; 27-07-2012 at 20:45. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationYeah, Every religion preaches some sort of unscientific methods, and the reason I was focusing in Islam was because that it seems to be the most widely practised religion, at least in most eyes.(Original post by Pinkhead)
Why is that relevant?
Don't worry about your family. Tell them you're an atheist and leave it at that. Don't try to get them to think like you. It never works and will only make your relationship worse.
It is not only the Islamic community that follows unscientific methods. The very basis of religion is faith, and faith by definition excludes evidence. Therefore all religions are fundamentally unscientific .
Also, prepare for the incoming negs. You might even break the record for number of negs on the first post
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationWhats your point?(Original post by ShredMaster)
Another "ex muslim" who is "spatially gifted" whilst his idiotic, foolish family are holding him back from greatness. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationRight, "ex-muslim", very "gifted" who's been "indoctrinated".
Well, not going to bother wasting time, "intellectual discussion" seems far fetched here. I mean, I know it never really crossed your "intellectual mind", but thought I'd let you know that, Atheism and other Non-religious beliefs can and certainly do, get "indoctrinated".
Alhmadulillah for that.(Original post by Ingenium)
Yeah, Every religion preaches some sort of unscientific methods, and the reason I was focusing in Islam was because that it seems to be the most widely practised religion, at least in most eyes.
And I'm curious about this one. Please enlighten, thanks.(Original post by Ingenium)
The Quran might not say that women should be put to death for being raped, however, Islam, somehow influences these sort of ideas, only if it is being understood the wrong way around. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationCan you explain to me how you would be indoctrinated into atheism?(Original post by Perseveranze)
Right, "ex-muslim", very "gifted" who's been "indoctrinated".
Well, not going to bother wasting time, "intellectual discussion" seems far fetched here. I mean, I know it never really crossed your "intellectual mind", but thought I'd let you know that, Atheism and other Non-religious beliefs can and certainly do, get "indoctrinated".
Alhmadulillah for that.
And I'm curious about this one. Please enlighten, thanks.
I don't see how it's even plausible nor have I come across a case where that has happened considering the majority of atheists had been brought up as theists.
The only way I can see something like that happening is by drilling into a child's head that there is no God, but then that would not be atheism anyway, since atheism isn't making a positive claim.
There is no doctrine in atheism, so how can there be indoctrination?
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationYou used to be Muslim and you are still expected to pray 5 times a day and do other Islamic tasks?(Original post by Ingenium)
Hey guys,
I used to be a Muslim and grew into a Muslim family.
The Islamic community does not seem to appreciate the light of science, and they would rather follow unscientific methods. They would indoctrinate children at such a age, and at those ages, they are the most vulnerable to indoctrination. Being indoctrinated at a such a age proves to be an difficult time for many people transiting into adulthood. According to most people's observation, the process explained above repeats all over again.
I'm 20 years old, and yet I'm seem to be expected to pray five times a day, and do other sort of Islamic tasks. I was wondering if there are anyone else who can share some thoughts regarding their own experience in being indoctrinated at such a young age, Christians, Jews, Muslims and any other faiths.
Bring on the negs man - Intellectual discussions don't hurt
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationBy that I mean exactly what you said; the idea is drilled into children heads that "there is no God", and there's always immense pressure not to talk about faith/religion, especially not in a positive light.(Original post by Pinkhead)
Can you explain to me how you would be indoctrinated into atheism?
I don't see how it's even plausible nor have I come across a case where that has happened considering the majority of atheists had been brought up as theists.
The only way I can see something like that happening is by drilling into a child's head that there is no God, but then that would not be atheism anyway, since atheism isn't making a positive claim.
There is no doctrine in atheism, so how can there be indoctrination?
It is the default position of a human. No indoctrination is required.
Call it Atheism indoctrinated or not, but it stems from families that are Atheists, who want to ensure that their children are going to be Atheist as well.
Just recently there was a "what would you do if your child converted to Islam" thread, and the replies from Atheists were if anything, quite shocking and further proved my point.Last edited by Perseveranze; 27-07-2012 at 16:27. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - Indoctrination(Original post by Ingenium)
Yeah, Every religion preaches some sort of unscientific methods, and the reason I was focusing in Islam was because that it seems to be the most widely practised religion, at least in most eyes.Shame you don't know how to use capital letters.Hey guys,
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationAnd, is that all you can point out? I can "smell" you being part of the "Islam for UK" organisation.(Original post by . . .)
Shame you don't know how to use capital letters.
And also, do you know how diverse is gifted intelligence?
Name a table a chair, and a char a table, swap apostrophe for a comma, and you'll see that many things do not actually require a label. If something seems to function right even though it is not perfect, then it seems to be appropriate to be left alone.Last edited by Ingenium; 27-07-2012 at 17:03. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationReally?!?! Want to know what I can smell? A pretty bad attempt at trolling.(Original post by Ingenium)
And, is that all you can point out? I can "smell" you being part of the "Islam for UK" organisation.
And also, do you know how diverse is gifted intelligence?
Name a table a chair, and a char a table, swap apostrophe for a comma, and you'll see that many things do not actually require a label.
I find it funny how you seem to ignore any serious posts in this thread and focus on the ones which are not serious. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationWell........the Talibans can be seen to justify their actions by using the cover of Islam, some use Islam to preach violence, and many others, it is for peaceful movement.(Original post by Perseveranze)
Right, "ex-muslim", very "gifted" who's been "indoctrinated".
Well, not going to bother wasting time, "intellectual discussion" seems far fetched here. I mean, I know it never really crossed your "intellectual mind", but thought I'd let you know that, Atheism and other Non-religious beliefs can and certainly do, get "indoctrinated".
Alhmadulillah for that.
And I'm curious about this one. Please enlighten, thanks.
For those who ware not educated to such depth, would think that Islam would allow the punishment of women if they were the victims of rape. Such example would be the Talibans. They executed a woman since two of men could not decide who can have her, and then they reached to the conclusion that the woman should be shot. Adultery was the reason they would to their advantage, otherwise one of the men would have kept the woman. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationWell, if that is what you think so, then I don't care. Please do not troll in the first.(Original post by . . .)
Really?!?! Want to know what I can smell? A pretty bad attempt at trolling.
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationIt's true. Although it's a bit of an unjust generalisation, in my experience it has been the case. I know of a group who sacked their biology tutor because they tried to teach them about evolution, because it contradicts islam(Original post by Ingenium)
Hey guys,
I used to be a Muslim and grew into a Muslim family.
The Islamic community does not seem to appreciate the light of science, and they would rather follow unscientific methods. They would indoctrinate children at such a age, and at those ages, they are the most vulnerable to indoctrination. Being indoctrinated at a such a age proves to be an difficult time for many people transiting into adulthood. According to most people's observation, the process explained above repeats all over again.
I'm 20 years old, and yet I'm seem to be expected to pray five times a day, and do other sort of Islamic tasks. I was wondering if there are anyone else who can share some thoughts regarding their own experience in being indoctrinated at such a young age, Christians, Jews, Muslims and any other faiths.
Bring on the negs man - Intellectual discussions don't hurt
It's quite funny to be honest. I'm assuming they failed that part of the exam..
Edit: Lol negs? Are you seriously saying this is isn't at all laughable?Last edited by Bulbasaur; 29-07-2012 at 18:24. -
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationWhat is your view on the Islamic concept that a woman is equal to that of a half a man?(Original post by 123maz)
you're family telling you to pray 5 times a day is hardly brainswashing, excuse me for thinking youre family might want you to go to heaven with them!!
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Re: Ex Muslim - Indoctrination(Original post by Bulbasaur)
It's true. Although it's a bit of an unjust generalisation, in my experience it has been the case. I know of a group who sacked their biology tutor because they tried to teach them about evolution, because it contradicts islam It's quite funny to be honest. I'm assuming they failed that part of the exam..
I've had a lecturer tell me that every'thing' requires a creator, and that Allah is the creator of every'thing'. Somehow if you question a lecturer whether Allah requires a creator, they would fire off to another concept.
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Re: Ex Muslim - IndoctrinationUni lecturers say this?(Original post by Ingenium)
I've had a lecturer tell me that every'thing' requires a creator, and that Allah is the creator of every'thing'. Somehow if you question a lecturer whether Allah requires a creator, they would fire off to another concept.
And there was me thinking they were generally exclusively atheist...
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