[AdvanceAndVanquish]

(Original post by umair.khan)
Have you ever heard of a Muslim scholar that says that women should be put to death for being raped?? I cant think of any scholars that have said such things.

I take it you're not acquainted with the regular speakers at university ISocs around the country then?

[mel0n]

(Original post by Addzter)
Can't I be neither?

Unfortunately not with comments like that.

[DontJudge]

Do you have OCD with the Sharia Law? Adrian Monk has it with cleaning.

[Perseveranze]

- Justice
- End to oppression
- Rich treated the same and equal to poor
- No more zoo animals held in a cage for human entertainment (lol random)
- Stopping the deaths of millions through abortion
- Stopping the deaths of millions through alcohol
- Stopping the deaths of millions through tabaco
- Stopping the deaths of millions through drugs
- Stopping family break downs, sadness/misery/depression, and lives, of thousands through gambling
- More restriction towards fatal and health-risk STD's, through the banning of Prostitution
- No more weird and messed up crap like Beastiality (unfortunately legal in many European nations)
- Resources being shared equally, instead of a person dying from obesity and another dying from hunger.
- Less crimes
- No more interest,
- No more capitalism, no more rich getting richer and poor getting poorer.

Just to name a few.

[PopaPork]

People who live in kaffir countries trying to tell everyone how great it is while not having to live by it themselves

Oh and muslims saying there is no country that uses ‘true’ (whatever that means) sharia whenever someone is brutally murdered in its name

Peace

[PopaPork]

Justice - Iniquality
- End to oppression - If you are a muslim
- Rich treated the same and equal to poor – if you are a muslim
- No more zoo animals held in a cage for human entertainment (lol random) – the death of a few endangered species
- Stopping the deaths of millions through abortion – Millions starving to death
- Stopping the deaths of millions through alcohol – Removal of freedom of choice
- Stopping the deaths of millions through Tabaco – Removal of freedom of choice
- Stopping the deaths of millions through drugs – No Free will (also you do know muslims are at the front of the illegal drugs trade)
- Stopping the family break downs, sadness/misery/depression, and lives, of thousands through gambling – Millions living in unhappy marriages, abusive husbands etc…
- More restriction towards fatal and health-risk STD's, through the banning of Prostitution – Murder
- No more weird and messed up crap like Beastiality (unfortunately legal in many European nations) – A lie
- Resources being shared equally, instead of a person dying from obesity and another dying from hunger. - If you are a muslim
- Less crimes – not true 95% of women in Egypt for example have been sexually abused for example

Just to name a few. – Thank the lord you stopped there

[boba]

I think the system in some places in the UK where there are shariah "courts" that people can choose to go to if they want to have a dispute settled under those rules is fine. but it being implemented as actual binding law no.

[supraman]

(Original post by PopaPork)
People who live in kaffir countries trying to tell everyone how great it is while not having to live by it themselves

Oh and muslims saying there is no country that uses ‘true’ (whatever that means) sharia whenever someone is brutally murdered in its name

Peace

the reason Muslims don't live by it is because there isn't a single nation which offers it....

please do name a country which implements sharia, do tell

(Original post by PopaPork)
Justice - Iniquality
- End to oppression - If you are a muslim not true, stopping Oppression is regardless of faith
- Rich treated the same and equal to poor – if you are a muslim again regardless of faith, your zakat can go to people of any faith
- No more zoo animals held in a cage for human entertainment (lol random) – the death of a few endangered species not having them caged, doesn't mean they won't be looked after in the wild
- Stopping the deaths of millions through abortion – Millions starving to death that doesn't make any sense, as the world was doing fine before abortions, plus the 2nd statement cancels the starvation out
- Stopping the deaths of millions through alcohol – Removal of freedom of choice Applicable only to Muslims though they can do it at home, but if they aren't Muslims they still can drink it
- Stopping the deaths of millions through Tabaco – Removal of freedom of choice Again same thing as the Alcohol bit
- Stopping the deaths of millions through drugs – No Free will (also you do know muslims are at the front of the illegal drugs trade)
- Stopping the family break downs, sadness/misery/depression, and lives, of thousands through gambling – Millions living in unhappy marriages, abusive husbands etc… He means proper education , Islam allows divorce for abusive husbands, whos to say these marriages are unhappy if they are educated about marriage properly before hand
- More restriction towards fatal and health-risk STD's, through the banning of Prostitution – Murder how it would it be murder, murder is punishable by death
- No more weird and messed up crap like Beastiality (unfortunately legal in many European nations) – A lie check Germany, Russia, Denmark and Sweden
- Resources being shared equally, instead of a person dying from obesity and another dying from hunger. - If you are a muslim again its regardless of faith, as stated before, as charity can be given to anyone
- Less crimes – not true 95% of women in Egypt for example have been sexually abused for example I didn't know Egypt had proper sharia law , they have a mixture with secular and Christian laws

Just to name a few. – Thank the lord you stopped there

[goape]

(Original post by x[Aa$iyah]x)
and your just assuming that shariah law = opression
generalise much??

(Original post by Killuminati1989)
it works both ways numb skull... just because a few are oppressed doesnt mean all of them are... u clearly rely on cnn for ur daily muslim info and dont actually do ur own research

It's oppressive as a concept, just that some people may feel oppressed by it and others may not.

[PopaPork]

(Original post by boba)
I think the system in some places in the UK where there are shariah "courts" that people can choose to go to if they want to have a dispute settled under those rules is fine. but it being implemented as actual binding law no.

There have been recent reports in the guardian showing this is not the case

These people are told lies about the ‘choice’ and given no option. Family and ‘community’ pressure from this community can be quite lethal if challenged. But it’s to be expected given the number of cousins being imported from back home having no exposure to the rest of the UK kept in enclosed communities relying on the information being given to them from their local imam.

However we may see a change soon as more and more people realise they do not have to use this route (I’m thing here of a divorce recently where the sharia court told the women she would get nothing so she went to the UK courts and has been awarded half of his property and money (he left the court saying this was unfair as it was against his faith!!)

Questions have also been raised about gender equality (for example charging women more to get a divorce than men)

Peace

[`R92]

(Original post by DontJudge)
That's not ignorance then, that's stupidity.

Educate me why it's good please.

[PopaPork]

(Original post by supraman)
the reason Muslims don't live by it is because there isn't a single nation which offers it....

please do name a country which implements sharia, do tell

Oh and muslims saying there is no country that uses ‘true’ (whatever that means) sharia

So all of the ‘muslim’ countries out there not a single one has chosen to implement sharia

Doesn’t that tell you something?

Peace

[L18]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
- Justice
- End to oppression
- Rich treated the same and equal to poor
- No more zoo animals held in a cage for human entertainment (lol random)
- Stopping the deaths of millions through abortion
- Stopping the deaths of millions through alcohol
- Stopping the deaths of millions through tabaco
- Stopping the deaths of millions through drugs
- Stopping family break downs, sadness/misery/depression, and lives, of thousands through gambling
- More restriction towards fatal and health-risk STD's, through the banning of Prostitution
- No more weird and messed up crap like Beastiality (unfortunately legal in many European nations)
- Resources being shared equally, instead of a person dying from obesity and another dying from hunger.
- Less crimes
- No more interest,
- No more capitalism, no more rich getting richer and poor getting poorer.

Just to name a few.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I stopped reading right after 'no more oppression'.

The ****ing corner stone of sharia law is oppression.

[supraman]

(Original post by PopaPork)
Oh and muslims saying there is no country that uses ‘true’ (whatever that means) sharia

So all of the ‘muslim’ countries out there not a single one has chosen to implement sharia

Doesn’t that tell you something?

Peace

firstly you didn't reply to the other thing, guess you've realised your biasness.

Nope, you can even have a look, think about, why don't they want to implement it, its because they would have to give up their power, hence why they don't they enjoy being in control.

It only tells us their are many greedy people in the world who want power, nothing else.

Your also very good at avoiding a talk on your other point and go off, when proven wrong

[laura1234]

Religion shouldn't be imposed on anyone it should be a choice. England isn't a Muslim country so why should sharia law be imposed on non-muslim communities, if you want to practice sharia law then practice it in your own home without imposing it onto others.

[boba]

(Original post by PopaPork)
There have been recent reports in the guardian showing this is not the case

These people are told lies about the ‘choice’ and given no option. Family and ‘community’ pressure from this community can be quite lethal if challenged. But it’s to be expected given the number of cousins being imported from back home having no exposure to the rest of the UK kept in enclosed communities relying on the information being given to them from their local imam.

However we may see a change soon as more and more people realise they do not have to use this route (I’m thing here of a divorce recently where the sharia court told the women she would get nothing so she went to the UK courts and has been awarded half of his property and money (he left the court saying this was unfair as it was against his faith!!)

Questions have also been raised about gender equality (for example charging women more to get a divorce than men)

Peace

sorry I meant in principle. I wholly admit I have no knowledge on how how it is currently practically applied and if the current system is as you say then I agree it is bad.

I just meant that the idea of having people there to interpret things according to shariah is fine if the people are actually choosing to use this service but it should never become part of the state.

[PopaPork]

(Original post by supraman)
firstly you didn't reply to the other thing, guess you've realised your biasness.

Nope, you can even have a look, think about, why don't they want to implement it, its because they would have to give up their power, hence why they don't they enjoy being in control.

It only tells us their are many greedy people in the world who want power, nothing else.

Your also very good at avoiding a talk on your other point and go off, when proven wrong

No I realised there’s no pint when you make false assumptions like Russia is in Europe

At that point there is no need to respond

But thanks you responded exactly as I knew you would you have resorted to personal attacks and straw men arguments

This is not the way to debate.

Simple question for you I am a Gay Atheist. In sharia Law is my word equal to yours as a muslim?

How would sharia law treat my Muslim boyfriend?

But again in all these muslim countries no one has been able to implement sharia I know this must be difficult for you (why would they not want it I hear you ask)

But I bet your next response tries to blame the west in some way?

Peace

[Florrick]

(Original post by lukas1051)
Do I really need to elaborate? People living under Sharia Law have no rights because they are forced to adhere to a religion they may not even believe in. Look at countries like Saudi Arabia, I can think of few places to live that would be more horrible. Especially if you're a woman. It's nothing I have personally against Islam, I'd feel the same about any other religious laws, but it's evil forcing people to live like that. And don't claim that the people have rights because they don't, we all know it.

Have you even looked at what Saudi women feel or what Muslim women living in those ''horrible'' countries feel?

Journalist Sabria Jawhar complains that Western readers of her Huffington Post blog are obsessed with her veil. She calls the niqab "trivial":[11][12]

(People) lose sight of the bigger issues like jobs and education. That’s the issue of women’s rights, not the meaningless things like passing legislation in France or Quebec to ban the burqa ... Non-Saudis presume to know what’s best for Saudis, like Saudis should modernize and join the 21st century or that Saudi women need to be free of the veil and abaya ... And by freeing Saudi women, the West really means they want us to be just like them, running around in short skirts, nightclubbing and abandoning our religion and culture.

Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%2...n_Saudi_Arabia

[.eXe]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
- Justice - IF YOU'RE A MUSLIM
- End to oppression -
- Rich treated the same and equal to poor - IF YOU'RE A MUSLIM
- No more zoo animals held in a cage for human entertainment (lol random)
- Stopping the deaths of millions through abortion - TAKING AWAY INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
- Stopping the deaths of millions through alcohol - TAKING AWAY INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
- Stopping the deaths of millions through tabaco - TAKING AWAY INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
- Stopping the deaths of millions through drugs - TAKING AWAY INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM TO CHOOSE
- Stopping family break downs, sadness/misery/depression, and lives, of thousands through gambling - TAKING AWAY CHOICE
- More restriction towards fatal and health-risk STD's, through the banning of Prostitution - Okay.
- No more weird and messed up crap like Beastiality (unfortunately legal in many European nations) - Okay.
- Resources being shared equally, instead of a person dying from obesity and another dying from hunger. - IF YOU'RE A MUSLIM
- Less crimes - THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN PROVE THIS
- No more interest, - Um Islamic banks just circumvent this by charging higher prices initially rather than collecting interest
- No more capitalism, no more rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. - IF YOU'RE A MUSLIM

Just to name a few.

Yeah, no it's not going to be as awesome as you think unfortunately.

[supraman]

(Original post by PopaPork)
No I realised there’s no pint when you make false assumptions like Russia is in Europe

At that point there is no need to respond

But thanks you responded exactly as I knew you would you have resorted to personal attacks and straw men arguments

This is not the way to debate.

Simple question for you I am a Gay Atheist. In sharia Law is my word equal to yours as a muslim?

How would sharia law treat my Muslim boyfriend?

But again in all these muslim countries no one has been able to implement sharia I know this must be difficult for you (why would they not want it I hear you ask)

But I bet your next response tries to blame the west in some way?

Peace

hahahah you don't know anything, a large chunk of western Russia lies in Europe

Clearly you need to go and get yourself educated, Russia is both in Europe and Asia.

How is it personal attacks, as your being biased, clearly as shown as before, your saying Muslims can't help non-Muslims if their oppressed or poor, just put that there based on how you see it, rather than looking at the faith. When charity in Islam is allowed to be given to all people, than how would helpings others be restricted based on faith.

would be pretty equal, you'll be under a different law technically, if you commit a crime,you get punished accordingly to your laws.

How would I know, if he hasn't committed sodomy, he'll be fine.

What has the west got to do with anything................lets see, a large group of these Muslim majority countries are run by what, Monarchies, which are not allowed under Islam, so why would they want to give up their power....it's all about greed as I stated before, keep up