[ateeq22]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Media



... and asking the wrong people for info.

Exactly!

[Tensei]

A Few individuals ruin it for everyone - my opinion

[Truthman]

(Original post by mddub39)
To answer the OP's question it's because (and i have experienced this first hand) north american governments create false images of Islam to their people. They use this as justification to break international laws and invade all the countries they want to. Walk around most of America or Canada and you notice an extreme ignorance for any other culture. At my Canadian school (which had a high Jewish population) they all had the idea that every Palestinian was a terrorist, and that Israel was an innocent victim.

To answer the OP's question it's because (and i have experienced this first hand) north american governments create false images of Islam to their people.

Well i see it completely different. The american government like most european governments do their utmost to appease muslim.

In fact, western governments protect islam. They have to realize that the only thanks they will get back in return is jihad against themselves.

If the media wanted to bury islam in the west they could do so very easily:

Is it time to stop using the word "Asian"? In recent weeks Britain's Sikh and Hindu communities have complained angrily about the use of the misleading term in reporting of the Rochdale grooming convictions of men of Muslim Pakistani descent. Headlines like “Asian grooming – why we need to talk about sex crime”, “Child sex grooming: the Asian question”, and “Grooming offences committed mostly by Asian men, says ex-Barnardo's chief” show the problem.
Judge Gerald Clifton, who sentenced the men in Rochdale, indicated they thought the victims were “worthless” and “beyond any respect”. He asserted that one of the motivations behind this was “they were not part of your community or religion”.
it is time for politicians and the press to bear in mind that in the context of these sex crimes, as with violent extremism, female genital mutilation, forced marriage and honour killings, the vague term "Asian" serves no purpose. Worse, it besmirches entire swathes of Britons with roots in the Indian subcontinent.
But the problem continues: commentators are unwilling to label the perpetrators "Muslim", opting instead to hide behind the fudge of "Asian".
Of course we have to be careful not to label all Muslims sex offenders: but it is simple cowardice to pretend that grooming is not a problem for the Muslim community, but Asians in general. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...rd-Asians.html

BBC pulled episodes of TV drama Silent Witness due to similarities to Rochdale child sex grooming case : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1xBqpvKqF

If you remember that program, you may also remember what happened afterwards. The British police investigated the mosques, but decided they didn’t have enough evidence to charge them with anything. At which point the cops did a 180 and reported Channel 4 to Ofcom, the UK’s answer to the FCC, for allegedly editing its footage in such a way as to misrepresent the preachers’ views. The good news is that Ofcom eventually rejected the charges; the bad news is that, once again, the critics of Islam became the heavies, the Muslims the victims. And despiteUndercover Mosque‘s explosive revelations, nothing much changed as a result of them. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/05/21/g...edens-mosques/


(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. State Department removed the sections covering religious freedom from the Country Reports on Human Rights that it released on May 24, three months past the statutory deadline Congress set for the release of these reports. Thus, the reports do not provide in-depth coverage of what has happened to Christians and other religious minorities in predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East that saw the rise of revolutionary movements in 2011 in which Islamist forces played an instrumental role.
For the first time ever, the State Department simply eliminated the section of religious freedom in its reports covering 2011 and instead referred the public to the 2010 International Religious Freedom Report – a full two years behind the times – or to the annual report of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), which was released last September and covers events in 2010 but not 2011. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/stat...rights-reports

Muslim Persecution of Christians: May 2012 "Death to Christians!" http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/31...tians-may-2012

etc, etc, etc....

governments create false images of Islam to their people.

What is a "false image of islam"?

They use this as justification to break international laws and invade all the countries they want to.

How exactly do "governments" "create a false image of islam" to "use this as justification to break international laws and invade all the countries they want to"?

Walk around most of America or Canada and you notice an extreme ignorance for any other culture.

There is a huge difference between "ignorance" and intolerance:

“you [Muslims] in America, you preach islam as much as you want, and you speak as much as you want about islam and nobody has killed nor crucify you , as you [other muslims] do to Christians [in the islamic world]”. Christian prince: the author of ‘The Deception of Allah’. http://www.amazon.com/Deception-Alla...pr_product_top



Right now in iran there is a man facing capital punishment for leaving islam and becoming a christian, why do we not hear any out cry from muslims in america or canada, or anywhere else for that matter?

An Iranian court upheld the death sentence against a man who converted to Christianity, a religious group reported today. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...g-christianity


Now if I said that islam is a heartless cult which mandates the killing of people who decide to leave islam, i would be accused by muslims of hatred, bigotry, islamaphobia, etc.. yet they have nothing at all to say to the people who ARE killing apostates.

So if you think america is bad for muslims, then spare a thought for the non muslim minorities being persecuted everyday in islamic countries!

At my Canadian school (which had a high Jewish population) they all had the idea that every Palestinian was a terrorist, and that Israel was an innocent victim

Are not people entitled to their own opinions? I bet even in canada their are anti israel movements.

PA TV to kids: Christians and Jews are inferior, cowardly and despised.




The above message to the Palestinian children has nothing to do with israel, FACT! It has everything to do with koran!

And not only that, muslims are wainting on the day that they will holocaust the jews, they have been waiting for over 1000 years!:


PA Mufti of Jerusalem Muhammad Hussein: The Muslims Will Kill the Jews before Judgment Day http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3275.htm

Responding to the allegations of incitement on Israel Radio Sunday, Sheikh Muhammad Hussein denied inciting the murder of Jews, saying he was just quoting the Islamic text. "I can't change the Hadith," he added. http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPol...aspx?id=254628

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4177)

Islamists Chant "One Day We Will Kill All Jews" at Cairo Rally http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47762

PASSIVE POLICE VIEW WILD MOB SHOUTING DEATH TO JEWS IN FRENCH AIRPORT… http://tundratabloids.com/2011/09/pa...h-airport.html

[amime]

(Original post by ateeq22)
Exactly!

Not exactly.

The fort hood shooter was a Muslim. Hell, he even shot up a military base. Why wasn't he branded a terrorist?

IMO Muslims just tend to get majorly butt hurt (compared to others)whenever anything bad is said about them. The media also demonises youths a lot, they seem to hate bankers and lets not even get started on polish/eastern European immigrants that 'steal our jobs'.

[AdvanceAndVanquish]

(Original post by mddub39)
To answer the OP's question it's because (and i have experienced this first hand) north american governments create false images of Islam to their people. They use this as justification to break international laws and invade all the countries they want to. Walk around most of America or Canada and you notice an extreme ignorance for any other culture. At my Canadian school (which had a high Jewish population) they all had the idea that every Palestinian was a terrorist, and that Israel was an innocent victim.

So you mean, they had a better grasp of the situation than you almost certainly do?

[AdvanceAndVanquish]

(Original post by ateeq22)
Exactly!

We've already covered this. If he had been a Muslim, it would have been odds on that his motivation would have been politico-religious in nature, making it an entirely reasonable initial assumption that he was a terrorist. Since he's not a Muslim, it was odds on that he wasn't a terrorist.

[AdvanceAndVanquish]

(Original post by amime)
Not exactly.

The fort hood shooter was a Muslim. Hell, he even shot up a military base. Why wasn't he branded a terrorist?

IMO Muslims just tend to get majorly butt hurt (compared to others)whenever anything bad is said about them. The media also demonises youths a lot, they seem to hate bankers and lets not even get started on polish/eastern European immigrants that 'steal our jobs'.

And he was reportedly screaming the takbir while firing, so go figure.

[gagaslilmonsteruk]

Every religion has received negative attention from the media. These days it's Islam, not so long ago it was a divide between Catholicism and protestantism due to the IRA. I still think that Jewish people receive a lot of stick too these days.

[sameera95]

(Original post by Truthman)
Maybe you need to take a look at this video.

The student who made this video is just a regular belgium lady, but look at the abuse she gets from muslim immigrants as she is walking down the street.


"RITS student Sofie Peeters has made her thesis about sexism in the streets of Brussels. The documentary shows how, whenever they came out, was solicited or allowed to persist, mainly by immigrants.

Sexual harassment in Belgium video. [SHOCKING VIDEO] http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com.au...we-cannot.html



The reason why muslims women cover themselves is to avoid abuse from muslim men.

The video shows how they treat non islamically dressed women. It doesnt take too much imagination to recognize what would happen to a muslim woman if she decided that today she chooses to wear something different.

This is why i find it hard to respect people who venerate islam. Every single one of them without exception is a true hypocrite.

Well, first of all I would like to state that this is typically non-Islamic beaviour which is discouraged by Islam. Secondly, this behaviour isn't just assosciated with Muslim men (behaving in a non-Islamic way), there are men all over the world who do far worse things than what you have just shown me and are not Muslims.

As I stated above, Muslim men should not be behaving this way and this goes to say that Muslim women do NOT cover up just so that they can avoid this type of abuse. Muslim women cover up as a way of being modest and to please Allah. Their beauty is kept only for those who are allowed to see it, especially their husband. This is to prevent any other man from seeing her in a sexual way and so that she is treated as an equal in an Islamic society. It also helps to prevent her husband from considering other women so that their relationship stays stable and lasts because he knows she only reveals her beauty to him and nobody else.

Also when a woman covers up, people are not judging her by how much flesh she is revealing or how her hair and make up are done up. People say she is being oppressed because she is covered up but I say she is more liberated than those girls who are under the pressure of society to 'look good' and end up with various eating disorders, depression and having insecurities. She doesn't have to reveal herself to society therefore society doesn't have to judge her.

[CosmicVengeance]

MEDIA.


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[Truthman]

(Original post by sameera95)
Well, first of all I would like to state that this is typically non-Islamic beaviour which is discouraged by Islam. Secondly, this behaviour isn't just assosciated with Muslim men (behaving in a non-Islamic way), there are men all over the world who do far worse things than what you have just shown me and are not Muslims.

As I stated above, Muslim men should not be behaving this way and this goes to say that Muslim women do NOT cover up just so that they can avoid this type of abuse. Muslim women cover up as a way of being modest and to please Allah. Their beauty is kept only for those who are allowed to see it, especially their husband. This is to prevent any other man from seeing her in a sexual way and so that she is treated as an equal in an Islamic society. It also helps to prevent her husband from considering other women so that their relationship stays stable and lasts because he knows she only reveals her beauty to him and nobody else.

Also when a woman covers up, people are not judging her by how much flesh she is revealing or how her hair and make up are done up. People say she is being oppressed because she is covered up but I say she is more liberated than those girls who are under the pressure of society to 'look good' and end up with various eating disorders, depression and having insecurities. She doesn't have to reveal herself to society therefore society doesn't have to judge her.

Well, first of all I would like to state that this is typically non-Islamic beaviour which is discouraged by Islam.

I think that is typical islamic behaviour. The kuffar women were not safe from muhummad or his thugs (sura 4.24).

You say its discourage in islam, but i disagree, the non muslim women being abused are kuffars, its because of degrading of non muslims by the koran why the men feel that they can walk up to a stranger and call her "whore".

And just so you don't get it twisted, here is a muslim woman saying in the face of a non muslim "who you trying to seduce?", so please, you denying the reality serves no purpose.

Stacy Dooley gets a shock when she goes to investigate rumours of Islamic fanatics taking over her hometown Luton.




You also ignor the fact that the muslims in the video are immigrants and this is how they disrespecting their host countries.

A Muslim man who raped four women AT KNIFE POINT to 'teach them a lesson' for being on the streets at night was jailed indefinitely. Islam, who told the jury he was a practising Muslim, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1kXsCUYxS

The reason why muslim men feel free to do this is because the women they are doing this to are kuffars.

Secondly, this behaviour isn't just assosciated with Muslim men (behaving in a non-Islamic way), there are men all over the world who do far worse things than what you have just shown me and are not Muslims.

When did i say anything was unique to muslims?

I am saying though that it is only muslims who have such contempt for non muslim women/people who do not submit to islam.

And the truth is, if there was nothing to protect those women, there is nothing in islam that could stop any of those muslim men from grabbing any non muslim off the street and making her a sex slave. And if you was married to any of those men, there would be nothing you would be able to do about it. If you dont like you husband keeping a sex slave in the basement you might get a divorce providing you are allowed, but then you would forfeit any children you had with the man.

As I stated above, Muslim men should not be behaving this way and this goes to say that Muslim women do NOT cover up just so that they can avoid this type of abuse.

And as i stated above, if there was nothing to protect those women, there is nothing in islam that could stop any of those muslim men from grabbing any non muslim off the street and making her a sex slave, etc..

Muslim women cover up as a way of being modest and to please Allah.

In fact, you have just hilighted what I am saying.

If a non muslim is not "pleasing allah", what does that make them in islam?:

A - nothing?

B - zero?

C - "the lowest of beasts in the sight of allah"?

The answer to that question explains why the muslims felt no way to abuse these women and also explains why certain european nations are currently experiencing islamic immigrant/refugee rape epidemics.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Media



... and asking the wrong people for info.

Uh that's actually nonsense. He wouldn't be called a terrorist at all. Not every muslim who kills becomes a terrorist. There was a mass shootout in Toronto a couple months back and the suspect was muslim...no one called him a terrorist. It's ironic that you as a muslim are the one spreading this false and paranoid message.

[ateeq22]

(Original post by amime)
Not exactly.

The fort hood shooter was a Muslim. Hell, he even shot up a military base. Why wasn't he branded a terrorist?

IMO Muslims just tend to get majorly butt hurt (compared to others)whenever anything bad is said about them. The media also demonises youths a lot, they seem to hate bankers and lets not even get started on polish/eastern European immigrants that 'steal our jobs'.

Muslims don't 'just tend to get majorly butt hurt' but they actually are singled out whenever **** like this happens. I was reading this article the other day and it said that James Holmes might be hired by a Muslim terrorist cell. And what about Anders Behring Breivik who massacred 100 people in Norway...they called him a 'physco' but not a terrorist. The truth is this word is reserved for Muslims because of a small group of people within their society.

[AdvanceAndVanquish]

(Original post by ateeq22)
Muslims don't 'just tend to get majorly butt hurt' but they actually are singled out whenever **** like this happens. I was reading this article the other day and it said that James Holmes might be hired by a Muslim terrorist cell. And what about Anders Behring Breivik who massacred 100 people in Norway...they called him a 'physco' but not a terrorist. The truth is this word is reserved for Muslims because of a small group of people within their society.

I'm curious. Do you not think we should call Muslim terrorists 'terrorists?'

[ateeq22]

(Original post by AdvanceAndVanquish)
I'm curious. Do you not think we should call Muslim terrorists 'terrorists?'

Absolutely!...but Terrorists from other faiths should also be called 'terrorists'. These double-standards should not be there.

[coco739]

Obviously the media, its because they look different and have different believes that it makes it easier for the goverment or newspaper co orporations to promote an image into the publics mind. In my opinion you have to be quiet an idot to believe everything you hear about muslims. Honestly I dont believe Islam deserves to get the amount of stick it gets from the public, we have to remember that UK and USA and others are probably the biggest most powerful terrorists by invadiing countries for supposed nuclear arms ( iraq) and then find out we were wrong and then scarper off leaving them in a civil war. The area I live in has alot of muslims, and some of the stuff I have seen shouted out at old asian women is quiet horrendous, I think to myself do they look like they may be involved in terrorism. I suggest people to educate themselves as multiculturism is not something which can be avoided its the way the whole world is moving.

[Inverse]

(Original post by CosmicVengeance)
MEDIA.


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What is there to misunderstand? It is essentially a group of people with imaginary friends, just like any other religion.

[Inverse]

Also, I think the bigger problem is how generally speaking, a fair few Muslims are very hostile towards any criticism. Why?

[coco739]

(Original post by Inverse)
Also, I think the bigger problem is how generally speaking, a fair few Muslims are very hostile towards any criticism. Why?

Im not sure maybe because they feel that their religion is being attacked all the time and given a negative rep. You can't just label a whole population.One of my friends in school is a muslim and I remember in one our gcse R.E lessons there was a discussion about media and Islam and we had to talk about the way media protrays religion and the number of people who she said were misinformed about her religion made her quiet dissappointed, not to mention that the R.E teacher too knew very little.

[coco739]

Not to mention religion is a very sensitive issue which those who believe in it hold it way above their own lives.