[ExMuslim]

Muslims say that Islam and shariah law are the answer to all of man's problems. That in an ideal shariah society (which according to them does not exist in the world today), there would be little crime and all citizens would enjoy equality and prosperity in a spiritual state dedicated to peace and the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice. Whenever shariah has been implemented in the modern world, it has ended in human misery, such as in Taliban Afghanistan, Southern Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. Of course Western Muslims dismiss these areas as not following "the real shariah" among other excuses and thus won't accept them as examples of shariah failing. I ask Muslims this: in the world today we have nations which already enjoy many of the benefits Islam and shariah purport to bring about, such as Denmark and much of Scandinavia. With this in mind, why would these nations need to adopt Islam or shariah law? Will it make their societies any better than they already are, or will it like I believe and many others, diminish their freedoms and reduce the level of advancement they have reached?

[ExMuslim]

Here is a post by Perseveranze listing all the benefits of shariah for a society.

(Original post by Perseveranze)
- Justice
- End to oppression
- Rich treated the same and equal to poor
- No more zoo animals held in a cage for human entertainment (lol random)
- Stopping the deaths of millions through abortion
- Stopping the deaths of millions through alcohol
- Stopping the deaths of millions through tabaco
- Stopping the deaths of millions through drugs
- Stopping family break downs, sadness/misery/depression, and lives, of thousands through gambling
- More restriction towards fatal and health-risk STD's, through the banning of Prostitution
- No more weird and messed up crap like Beastiality (unfortunately legal in many European nations)
- Resources being shared equally, instead of a person dying from obesity and another dying from hunger.
- Less crimes
- No more interest,
- No more capitalism, no more rich getting richer and poor getting poorer.

Just to name a few.

Hmmm, shariah doesn't have a track record for solving those problems in the modern world, but liberal secular socialist democracies like Denmark do!

[Tudball]

Loaded questions everywhere.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

did you really need to put 'exmuslim' as your username?

im curious about denmark, would like to go there sometime and experience this, heard it has a good atheist population

[Cephalus]

But have we ever seen a state that has implemented full shariah law?

[Florrick]

(Original post by Cephalus)
But have we ever seen a state that has implemented full shariah law?

The Rashidun caliphates.

[Cephalus]

(Original post by Florrick)
The Rashidun caliphates.

I googled it, and it doesn't seem to bad actually. Why have other middle eastern countries moved away from this model?

[Florrick]

(Original post by Cephalus)
I googled it, and it doesn't seem to bad actually. Why have other middle eastern countries moved away from this model?

Sykes–Picot Agreement.

[Elipsis]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
Here is a post by Perseveranze listing all the benefits of shariah for a society.


Hmmm, shariah doesn't have a track record for solving those problems in the modern world, but liberal secular socialist democracies like Denmark do!

The thing that confuses me, is that apparently Saudi Arabia has the money and the will to follow Sharia to the letter, they also have the perfect blueprint to humanity, yet all of those things combined has resulted in a disgusting **** hole of a country. How is this possible? And why does it happen every time a mental group of Islamists seize control of a country?

[TheGrinningSkull]

(Original post by Elipsis)
The thing that confuses me, is that apparently Saudi Arabia has the money and the will to follow Sharia to the letter, they also have the perfect blueprint to humanity, yet all of those things combined has resulted in a disgusting **** hole of a country. How is this possible? And why does it happen every time a mental group of Islamists seize control of a country?

Corruption of power, it's a shame really and quite disappointing.

[ForensicShoe]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
did you really need to put 'exmuslim' as your username?

im curious about denmark, would like to go there sometime and experience this, heard it has a good atheist population

It's a nice country

[Politricks]

Would any sane person really want any law which executes people for magic?

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by ForensicShoe)
It's a nice country

i havent been on holiday (other than school related) since i was a young kid... the next time i do, ill have it on my list of places to go.

[Cephalus]

I'd love to live under Shariah law. Then I could have 4 wives

[ForensicShoe]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
i havent been on holiday (other than school related) since i was a young kid... the next time i do, ill have it on my list of places to go.

Copenhagen is a beautiful city. Definetly worth a visit

[FrigidSymphony]

Why are people so reticent to come out and say that theocratic regimes- of whatever kind- are a bad thing? Are you so afraid of being accused of bigotry or fabricated "islamophobia"?

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
Muslims say that Islam and shariah law are the answer to all of man's problems. That in an ideal shariah society (which according to them does not exist in the world today), there would be little crime and all citizens would enjoy equality and prosperity in a spiritual state dedicated to peace and the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice. Whenever shariah has been implemented in the modern world, it has ended in human misery, such as in Taliban Afghanistan, Southern Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. Of course Western Muslims dismiss these areas as not following "the real shariah" among other excuses and thus won't accept them as examples of shariah failing. I ask Muslims this: in the world today we have nations which already enjoy many of the benefits Islam and shariah purport to bring about, such as Denmark and much of Scandinavia. With this in mind, why would these nations need to adopt Islam or shariah law? Will it make their societies any better than they already are, or will it like I believe and many others, diminish their freedoms and reduce the level of advancement they have reached?

Interesting that the 'no true scotsman' style defence is common to Communists, socialists and religious fundamentalists. Personally, I prefer an imperfect government style that doesn't result in mass murder the minute anything goes slightly wrong.

[The_Great_One]

Sharia law is illegal in Europe

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by The_Great_One)
Sharia law is illegal in Europe

Yea I know that but that's not the point of the thread. Try to entertain the question the post is posing to readers.

[RtGOAT]

So Islam can continue its pursuit of world domination.