[.eXe]

So here is a small collection of some of the main issues people have about Islam. The problem is, every time a debate starts, some muslims jump in and claim that the translations are wrong, inaccurate, fake, etc. So here, I have tried to compile the main issues, along with evidence for each issue and where applicable; some explanations. Feel free to debate and also let me know if you'd like me to add any more.

1) The Quran explicitly mentions that adulterers and fornicators (engaging in pre-marital sex) should be whipped 100 times, if you can field four witnesses. The stuff on stoning is mentioned in the hadiths). The Qur'an mentions punishment for adultery or fornication but not stoning {stoning is in the hadiths only). Verse 24:4–5 also mentions the conditions for proving the charge.

An-Nur 24:2–9:
24:2 The adulteress and the adulterer you shall whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out God's law, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of believers witness their penalty. 24:3 The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for believers. 24:4 Those who accuse married women of adultery then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes and not accept any testimony from them: they are wicked. 24:5 If they repent afterwards and reform, God is the Forgiver, the Merciful. 24:6 As for those who accuse their own spouses without any other witnesses, then the testimony may be accepted if (that one) swears by GOD four times that they are telling the truth. 24:7 The fifth oath shall be to incur God's condemnation upon him, if he was lying. 24:8 She shall be considered innocent if she swears by God four times that he is a liar. 24:9 The fifth oath shall incur God's wrath upon her if he was telling the truth.


2) Mohammad used to have people stoned, as well as having sex with a nine year old named Aisha. In addition, Mohammad did not allow any rebuke or ill words towards himself.

Stoning:
Sahih Muslim: (Book #016, Hadith #4140)
Anas reported that a Jew killed a girl of the Ansar for her ornaments and then threw her in a well and smashed her head with a stone. He was caught and brought to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), and he commanded that he should be stoned to death. So he was stoned until he died.

SUnan Abudawud (Book #38, Hadith #4407)
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ma'iz ibn Malik came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said that he had committed fornication and he (the Prophet) turned away from him. He repeated it many times, but he (the Prophet) turned away from him. He asked his people: Is he mad? They replied: There is no defect in him. He asked: Have you done it with her? He replied: Yes. so he ordered that he should be stoned to death. He was taken out and stoned to death, and he (the Prophet) did not pray over him.

Sunan Abudawud (Book #38, Hadith #4364)
Narrated Nu'aym: Ma'iz came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and admitted (having committed adultery) four times in his presence so he ordered him to be stoned to death, but said to Huzzal: If you had covered him with your garment, it would have been better for you.

Did not allow rebuke towards him:
Book 38, Number 4348: Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

'Aisha:
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

3) Lack of medical and/or scientific knowledge: This example will make you laugh.

The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)


4) According to the hadith, death is the appropriate punishment for apostasy. Ali, the last of the four great caliphs, burned a nonbeliever to death.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


5) According to the hadith, the punishment for stealing was getting your hands cut off. Mo personally ordered a thief's hands be cut off.

Volume 8, Book 81, Number 778: Narrated ‘Aisha:

Usama approached the Prophet on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft). The Prophet said, “The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet ) did that (i.e. stole), I would cut off her hand.”

Volume 8, Book 81, Number 779: Narrated ‘Aisha:

The Quraish people became very worried about the Makhzumiya lady who had committed theft. They said, “Nobody can speak (in favor of the lady) to Allah’s Apostle and nobody dares do that except Usama who is the favorite of Allah’s Apostle. ” When Usama spoke to Allah’s Apostle about that matter, Allah’s Apostle said, “Do you intercede (with me) to violate one of the legal punishment of Allah?” Then he got up and addressed the people, saying, “O people! The nations before you went astray because if a noble person committed theft, they used to leave him, but if a weak person among them committed theft, they used to inflict the legal punishment on him. By Allah, if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad committed theft, Muhammad will cut off her hand.!”


6) According to the hadith, the punishment of drinking wine was "forty stripes with two lashes."

Sahih Muslim Book 17, Number 4226:

Anas b. Malik reported that a person who had drink wine was brought to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him). He gave him forty stripes with two lashes. Abu Bakr also did that, but when Umar (assumed the responsibilities) of the Caliphate, he consulted people and Abd al-Rahman said: The mildest punishment (for drinking) is eighty (stripes) and 'Umar thus prescribed this punishment.


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Here is one I found a little funny. Apparently a son resembling his mother has to do with nocturnal sexual discharges:
Book 73: Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab)
Hadith 113 (Volume 8) Narrated Zainab bint Um Salama:
Um Sulaim said, "O Allah's Apostle! Verily Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. Is it essential for a woman to take a bath after she had a wet dream (nocturnal sexual discharge)?" He said, "Yes, if she notices discharge. On that Um Salama laughed and said, "Does a woman get a (nocturnal sexual) discharge?" He said, "How then does (her) son resemble her (his mother)?"

[.eXe]

The above also give punishments for some of the crimes in Islamic law. I see lots of threads about the Sharia. Maybe now people can see what life under the Sharia would be really like as most of the punishments include mutilation, whipping and even death.

[copperpot]

Whilst everyone else is watching the Olympics opening ceremony, there's always one TSR user making the effort to start an Islam related thread.

[.eXe]

(Original post by copperpot)
Whilst everyone else is watching the Olympics opening ceremony, there's always one TSR user making the effort to start an Islam related thread.

Please don't go off topic. I could care less about the Olympic ceremonies. When tennis and football are on I'll care.

[Florrick]

(Original post by .eXe)
Anytime. Anything to comment on? Maybe I got a translation or verse wrong? Feel free to let me know and I'll update.

Nah actually didn't even read the thread, but having skim read now, yes I can comment. What's the purpose behind the thread?

I'm sure I can trace corporal punishment for crimes such as adultery back in the bible too. So how can you create a thread condemning actions that are also part of christian heritage and was divinely prescribed by God himself. It's like an obese person calling someone else fat.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Florrick)
Nah actually didn't even read the thread, but yes I can comment. What's the purpose behind the thread?

I'm sure I can trace corporal punishment for crimes such as adultery back in the bible too.

The purpose behind the thread is to have a repository of evidence that is:

a) without a doubt accurate
b) cannot be argued on by saying things like "translation is wrong" or "context is wrong" or even the fan favourite "this is a false hadith"
c) to save people time having to search for these quotes, only to be told they aren't the right ones.
d) obviously to discuss some of these things. Lots of muslims on TSR would like to see Sharia in the world and above are some examples of the ramifications of such an implementation.

[Florrick]

(Original post by .eXe)
The purpose behind the thread is to have a repository of evidence that is:

a) without a doubt accurate
b) cannot be argued on by saying things like "translation is wrong" or "context is wrong" or even the fan favourite "this is a false hadith"
c) to save people time having to search for these quotes, only to be told they aren't the right ones.
d) obviously to discuss some of these things. Lots of muslims on TSR would like to see Sharia in the world and above are some examples of the ramifications of such an implementation.

2. doesn't add up, you state that Mohammed consummated a marriage with Aisha, who was 9 at the time. And that Mohammed stoned people left and right. Yet the hadith below talks about something else.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Florrick)


2. doesn't add up, you state that Mohammed consummated a marriage with Aisha, who was 9 at the time. And that Mohammed stoned people left and right. Yet the hadith below talks about something else.

You're right, I forgot to add a few quotes there. Ill reword for the time being until I can locate the quotes. Thanks.

Edit: updated.

[killa78]

Last I heard, the Hadith regarding flies and dipping them was legit.

I read that the flies carry an antidote and pathogen on them somewhere.
Go research it me thinks

[qwerty1]

here's one link I found that will give an explanation.

http://muslim-responses.com/Marriage_with_Aisha/Marriage_with_Aisha_

[CosmicVengeance]

Don't feed the troll.


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[Cattty]

its interesting how musims try to justify muhammad being a paedo.

middle aged man has sex with 9 year old girl, what does that make him?

im not religious but at least jesus was protrayed as helping people and delivering a good message, muhammad was just a power hungry nonce.

i know all the excuses people use- she was legally an adult at that time, it was the culture, etc, etc- the fact is 9 year olds have a childs body, which clearly muhammad was attracted to- pervert