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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
I don't know why you keep on making things up that I didn't say.

I didn't say the Afghan War "had nothing to with London". I said the "The victims of the Afghan war are irrelevant to the history of London".

When people do a history of London, they are not include a section about victims of the Iraq, Afghan or Falklands War because they have virtually nothing to do with it's development.

Too bad that montage had nothing to do with the "history" of London, you're just making it all up as you go along. If it only had something to do with the history of London, why were there people who had nothing to do with London on there?

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Actually, the Holocaust also occurred in Germany. There were many concentration camps within Germany. So it is not a good example.

Neither did I say that the victims of the Afghan War are irrelevant to the history of London because it happened somewhere else. So don't make things up I didn't say.

The Holocaust occurred outside of Germany. Your opinion is that catastrophes which occur outside of a nation-state have nothing to do with that nation-state and are "irrelevant" despite having been caused by that nation-state.

Since you claim the Holocaust had "nothing to do" with the history of Nazi Germany, that almost puts you into the category of 'holocaust denier'. That puts you on very difficult ground my friend.

You advocate "see no evil, hear no evil", if evil happens somewhere else it doesn't matter, you like to pretend like these things didn't happen and don't exist so you can carry on living your ignorant guilt free life. People like you make me sick.

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(Original post by Tesphena)
The Afghanistan war is not taking place in London though is it? It has very little to do with Londoners and its hardly something Londoners are going to celebrate. There was a tribute to those who had died in all wars, including the Afghanistan war, earlier in the show. The 7/7 tribute was to those who had died in 7/7. Its ridiculous having to point that out to someone.

Yes of course, people would much rather put it out of their mind and pretend it never happened. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

People want plenty of time for a remembrance of 50 victims of 7/7, none for the hundreds of thousands caused by our illegal war.

If there was a tribute, I must have missed that. The only tribute I saw was to those who were attending whose friends and family couldn't attend. Nothing to do specifically with 7/7.

(Original post by Tesphena)
What are you on about? The Holocaust happened all over Nazi controlled Europe, including Nazi Germany. Buchenwald is an example.

You really need to read up on your history. Buchenwald was not an extermination camp.

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(Original post by Stefan1991)
Too bad that montage had nothing to do with the "history" of London, you're just making it all up as you go along. If it only had something to do with the history of London, why were there people who had nothing to do with London on there?

Well, it did because it had to with 7/7.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
The Holocaust occurred outside of Germany. Your opinion is that catastrophes which occur outside of a nation-state have nothing to do with that nation-state and are "irrelevant" despite having been caused by that nation-state.

Since you claim the Holocaust had "nothing to do" with the history of Nazi Germany, that almost puts you into the category of 'holocaust denier'. That puts you on very difficult ground my friend.

You advocate "see no evil, hear no evil", if evil happens somewhere else it doesn't matter, you like to pretend like these things didn't happen and don't exist so you can carry on living your ignorant guilt free life. People like you make me sick.

It also occured in Germany. The concentration camps were part of the extermination process.

I didn't say that the "the Holocaust had "nothing to do" with the history of Nazi Germany". Stop lying and making up quotes.

[Tesphena]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Too bad that montage had nothing to do with the "history" of London, you're just making it all up as you go along. If it only had something to do with the history of London, why were there people who had nothing to do with London on there?

What had nothing to do with London? The bucolic scene in the beginning could easily have been the London outskirts pre-industrialization; the industrial revolution certainly occurred in London; Londoners definitely fought in the world wars; the cultural revolution happened in London; the arrivals from the Windrush were housed in Clapham; the Chelsea pensioners, the pearly kings and queens, the real Queen, James Bond, and Mary Poppins are all from London; Great Ormond Street Hospital and many NHS hospitals are in London; JK Rowling's best selling books were first published in London; Mr Bean is a Londoner; the London Symphony Orchestra is based in London; London is a centre of the UK Music industry, and most of our most famous artists (including Paul McCartney and the Beatles) have recorded there; 7/7 occured in London; and most of the volunteers who took part were Londoners. I didn't name everything. but I am really struggling to think of something that nothing to do with London.

The Holocaust occurred outside of Germany. Your opinion is that catastrophes which occur outside of a nation-state have nothing to do with that nation-state and are "irrelevant" despite having been caused by that nation-state.

Since you claim the Holocaust had "nothing to do" with the history of Nazi Germany, that almost puts you into the category of 'holocaust denier'. That puts you on very difficult ground my friend.

You advocate "see no evil, hear no evil", if evil happens somewhere else it doesn't matter, you like to pretend like these things didn't happen and don't exist so you can carry on living your ignorant guilt free life. People like you make me sick.

Shut-up. Neither the poster nor anyone else denied the holocaust. It happened within and outside of Germany. Its very much a part of German history. The Afghanistan War is a part of British history. That doesn't mean we have to celebrate it. The Afghanistan War did not happen in London and doesn't affect the majority of London, so it was not extensively mentioned. There was a brief silence for those who died in all wars. That was all I felt was needed.

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(Original post by Tesphena)
What had nothing to do with London? The bucolic scene in the beginning could easily have been the London outskirts pre-industrialization; the industrial revolution certainly occurred in London; Londoners definitely fought in the world wars; the cultural revolution happened in London; the arrivals from the Windrush were housed in Clapham; the Chelsea pensioners, the pearly kings and queens, the real Queen, James Bond, and Mary Poppins are all from London; Great Ormond Street Hospital and many NHS hospitals are in London; JK Rowling's best selling books were first published in London; Mr Bean is a Londoner; the London Symphony Orchestra is based in London; London is a centre of the UK Music industry, and most of our most famous artists (including Paul McCartney and the Beatles) have recorded there; 7/7 occured in London; and most of the volunteers who took part were Londoners. I didn't name everything. but I am really struggling to think of something that nothing to do with London.

Now you are changing the subject. We're talking about the tribute which included people who had nothing to do with London, not the choreographed satanic ritual.

Which immediately disproves the point that the tribute HAD to be about London and 7/7, when that's obviously false.

(Original post by Tesphena)
Shut-up. Neither the poster nor anyone else denied the holocaust. It happened within and outside of Germany. Its very much a part of German history. The Afghanistan War is a part of British history. That doesn't mean we have to celebrate it. The Afghanistan War did not happen in London and doesn't affect the majority of London, so it was not extensively mentioned. There was a brief silence for those who died in all wars. That was all I felt was needed.

Exactly, it's very much a part of Germany history. Just like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are important parts of UK history. The poster denied the Holocaust had anything to do with Nazi Germany.

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(Original post by Stefan1991)

Exactly, it's very much a part of Germany history. Just like the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are important parts of UK history. The poster denied the Holocaust had anything to do with Nazi Germany.

Looool....actually, I denied that the Holocaust had anything to do with London's history.

You are the one denying that the Holocaust even took place in Germany.

So the only Holocaust denier...is yourself

Now stop denying the Holocaust and lying.

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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Well, it did because it had to with 7/7.

Then why were there people on there who had nothing to do with 7/7? Explain that little problem with your theory. It wasn't just to do with any one event. You're making it up as you go along.

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
It also occured in Germany. The concentration camps were part of the extermination process.

Then by the same token you can say the decisions made in London were part of 'the civilian killing process'.

Basically you're contradicting your little notion that what happens in one country has NOTHING to do with another.

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
I didn't say that the "the Holocaust had "nothing to do" with the history of Nazi Germany". Stop lying and making up quotes.

Then why does the war in Afghanistan have nothing to do with the capital of the UK?

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(Original post by Stefan1991)
Then why were there people on there who had nothing to do with 7/7? Explain that little problem with your theory. It wasn't just to do with any one event. You're making it up as you go along.

I didn't say it only had to do with 7/7. Please quote where I said that. Entire sentence please rather half or two words.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Then by the same token you can say the decisions made in London were part of 'the civilian killing process'.

Basically you're contradicting your little notion that what happens in one country has NOTHING to do with another.


Then why does the war in Afghanistan have nothing to do with the capital of the UK?

Please quote me where I said "what happens in one country has NOTHING to do with another" or any of those statements for that matter.

OH...and I don't mean.....half a sentence where you pretend to lie and then deny the Holocaust happened.

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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
QFA

Its no use arguing with him, he's just a troll :L

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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
I didn't say it only had to do with 7/7. Please quote where I said that. Entire sentence please rather half or two words.

Exactly. Therefore it wasn't only to do with 7/7. Therefore it wasn't only to do with London. Therefore acknowledging the deaths of thousands killed in Afghanistan would not have been out of place.

But since someone posted just before that they actually did give a tribute to Afghanistan, so you've pretty much been proved wrong on all counts. (surprise surprise)

So let's clear this up, I was right about the montage not being just a 7/7 montage and openly to do with London. (you were wrong)

You were wrong about it not being appropriate or possible for there to be a tribute to those who have died in Afghanistan. (I was right)

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Please quote me where I said "what happens in one country has NOTHING to do with another" or any of those statements for that matter.

You said the war in Afghanistan had nothing to do with London.

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
OH...and I don't mean.....half a sentence where you pretend to lie and then deny the Holocaust happened.

Saying there weren't any extermination camps in Germany is not "holocaust denial", it's historical fact. Please look it up before you expose yourself as any more of an ignoramus

I'm fed up of schooling people on knowledge they should really know. Just use google or something next time.

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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
I didn't say the Afghan War "had nothing to with London". I said the "The victims of the Afghan war are irrelevant to the history of London".

When people do a history of London, they are not include a section about victims of the Iraq, Afghan or Falklands War because they have virtually nothing to do with it's development.

The tribute montage had nothing to do with the "history of London". How is this not penetrating your thick skull? You have dreamt up something which NEVER happened.

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It's not slavery so it's important tO the left out there.

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(Original post by Stefan1991)
Exactly. Therefore it wasn't only to do with 7/7. Therefore it wasn't only to do ....... to do with London..

As I asked before, quotes please for the claims in my previous post.

I cannot be bothered to read chunks of text in response to a one line request.

(Original post by Stefan1991)
Saying there weren't any extermination camps in Germany is not "holocaust denial", it's historical fact. Please look it up before you expose yourself as any more of an ignoramus

I'm fed up of schooling people on knowledge they should really know. Just use google or something next time.

I agree. "Saying there weren't any extermination camps in Germany is not holocaust denial"

I said denying the Holocaust took place in Germany is Holocaust denial or more accurately "revisionism".

(Original post by Stefan1991)

The tribute montage had nothing to do with the "history of London". How is this not penetrating your thick skull? You have dreamt up something which NEVER happened.

Don't bring up old posts that you have already replied to please.

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(Original post by DorianGrayism)
As I asked before, quotes please for the claims in my previous post.

I cannot be bothered to read chunks of text in response to a one line request.

You can be bothered to read 2 sentences. You just can't be bothered trying to explain yourself now you've been proved irrefutably wrong.

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Well, it did because it had to with 7/7.

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
I agree. "Saying there weren't any extermination camps in Germany is not holocaust denial"

I said denying the Holocaust took place in Germany is Holocaust denial or more accurately "revisionism".

So you agree that people weren't slaughtered on mass in specially made extermination camps in Germany, but that the Holocaust happened in Germany...

What is the Holocaust if not people being systematically murdered in specially made extermination camps? What do you think of the Holocaust is? I think maybe you should look it up first before talking about it, it's a sensitive subject.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Don't bring up old posts that you have already replied to please.

I just wanted to add one more point.

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(Original post by alex5455)
how many countries has russia invaded recently?
how many have china invaded?

everyone gets palliative and end of life care at the very least even if we cant do anything for them which is more than america offers

Russia invaded Georgia only four years ago, China has invaded Vietnam twice since 1975. Definitely not as much as the US however China and Russia don't help enforce any of the UN's resolutions.

[LETSJaM]

However tenuous the link may or may not be, it is still wrong to skip out commemorative sections of the ceremony as it shows an appalling lack of respect for the host nation.

<3 x

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(Original post by pr0view)
Russia invaded Georgia only four years ago, China has invaded Vietnam twice since 1975. Definitely not as much as the US however China and Russia don't help enforce any of the UN's resolutions.

much more peaceful than america, and you are still under the delusion i claimed they are perfect, i said they are better than america, america has no right to interfere in the world, which it does with or without un support

congrats on ignoring half my post

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(Original post by alex5455)
much more peaceful than america, and you are still under the delusion i claimed they are perfect, i said they are better than america, america has no right to interfere in the world, which it does with or without un support

congrats on ignoring half my post

Holodomor 2.5 - 10 Million
Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries 1 - 6 Million
Great Leap Forward 18 - 32.5 Million
Cultural Revolution 750,000 - 1.5 Million
Soviet Population Transfers 6 Million displaced & 1 - 1.5 Million killed.

Please go on about how peaceful Russia and China are in comparison to modern America.

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(Original post by pr0view)
Holodomor 2.5 - 10 Million
Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries 1 - 6 Million
Great Leap Forward 18 - 32.5 Million
Cultural Revolution 750,000 - 1.5 Million
Soviet Population Transfers 6 Million displaced & 1 - 1.5 Million killed.

Please go on about how peaceful Russia and China are in comparison to modern America.

sorry did you miss the bit where i said international records? they have terrible internal records yes but thats not what im discussing

please continue creating your own arguments though

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(Original post by alex5455)
sorry did you miss the bit where i said international records? they have terrible internal records yes but thats not what im discussing

please continue creating your own arguments though

So if we brush all those millions of people under the carpet China and Russia are more peaceful that the US.