[Teenage Pirate]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
They are expensive but they are also more reliable than PC's.

I don't know how Apple has managed to convince all the iFanboys that this is true, but it isn't. Apple is middle of the pack for reliability.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mos...tops,9102.html

[Inverse]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
It is true because there are more viruses designed to attack Windows based computers ect than Macs and other operating systems. It's also the optimal computer for film making and as an award winning film maker I constantly find windows holding me back. For a laptop it's definitely the best for the kind of usage I am going to participate in.

http://www.digitfreak.com/security/c...s-on-the-prowl

Awkward.

Do as you wish with your money, I'm sure it will handle your video-editing needs, but it is grossly overpriced. I am guessing you will buy final cut pro for it?

[ArtInTheSky]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
Hi. I'm planning to buy a new Macbook pro for university as my current computer is on the verge of death and I need a laptop that I can efficiently edit Hd video on as one of my major hobbies outside of my course is film making.

My question is should I shell out for the new retina display that is roughly £600 more expensive or should I get the standard Macbook pro?

Is it worth it?

Discuss

I bought the normal one just a week before the new one was released, I didn't know they was going to be a new one anytime soon. In my opinion I wouldn't waste the extra money, because the normal one is perfectly acceptable. And you could spend that extra £600 on useful software !

[BoringComputerGuy]

(Original post by Inverse)
http://www.digitfreak.com/security/c...s-on-the-prowl

Awkward.

The amount of malware on Windows still dwarfs that on Unix-like operating systems (including Mac OS), the point stands.

[Mishmashmoo]

(Original post by Inverse)
http://www.digitfreak.com/security/c...s-on-the-prowl

Awkward.

Do as you wish with your money, I'm sure it will handle your video-editing needs, but it is grossly overpriced. I am guessing you will buy final cut pro for it?

I'm sure I can find 10k more examples of deadly virus's that attack PCs. I'm not saying there are no viruses but I've owned 5-6PC's and all of them have been awful and frustrating. However, I must admit that a few were Hp's and my current one is a Cyberpower custom built computer with a half melted CPU. Probably Premier pro CS6 which I already have so I don't have to pay for it.

[The Polymath]

(Original post by Teenage Pirate)
because a high number of pixels in a small space is not the same as the same number of pixels in a large space

I didn't say it would look the same, just that you could do it. And tbh it would be way better

+ the resolution would be 6 x 1920 x 1080 which is huge

[Mishmashmoo]

(Original post by Junaid96)
I didn't say it would look the same, just that you could do it. And tbh it would be way better

+ the resolution would be 6 x 1920 x 1080 which is huge

I would find it distracting/annoying. Also very untransportable

[Inverse]

(Original post by BoringComputerGuy)
The amount of malware on Windows still dwarfs that on Unix-like operating systems (including Mac OS), the point stands.

I am aware, I run Arch Linux.

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
I'm sure I can find 10k more examples of deadly virus's that attack PCs. I'm not saying there are no viruses but I've owned 5-6PC's and all of them have been awful and frustrating. However, I must admit that a few were Hp's and my current one is a Cyberpower custom built computer with a half melted CPU. Probably Premier pro CS6 which I already have so I don't have to pay for it.

Viruses* maybe you could, but Apple MBPs and their other computing products make up a tiny market share, so 650,000 is an enormous number of attacks, and would make news if an attack of a similar, magnified scale were to happen to Windows users. Kaspersky 2012 solves virus issues. Not to mention that you could get a PC (from a reliable company, not "Cyberpower") that would completely trounce the MBP in every way when it comes to video editing for a smaller price.

[BoringComputerGuy]

(Original post by Inverse)
I am aware, I run Arch Linux.

In which case why did you respond to this:

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
It is true because there are more viruses designed to attack Windows based computers ect than Macs and other operating systems.

By posting a single example of a Mac OS X trojan? He never claimed that Mac OS X was completely invulnerable, just that there are more threats out there for Windows.

[Mishmashmoo]

(Original post by Inverse)
I am aware, I run Arch Linux.



Viruses* maybe you could, but Apple MBPs and their other computing products make up a tiny market share, so 650,000 is an enormous number of attacks, and would make news if an attack of a similar, magnified scale were to happen to Windows users. Kaspersky 2012 solves virus issues. Not to mention that you could get a PC (from a reliable company, not "Cyberpower") that would completely trounce the MBP in every way when it comes to video editing for a smaller price.

The number of Mac's is bigger than you think, although I admit 650,000 is a big number. It's not just the specs when it comes to a mac. The operating system maximises the use of the hardware in a way that other operating systems don't. The design works in a very fluid and efficient way. I don't want a desktop and when it comes to laptops I have never experienced a laptop that can achieve the same speed when using Adobe Premier pro. You've obviously never tried to edit HD video on a laptop.

Back to the original point of this thread, taking into account the probably usefulness of the graphics processor there is only £250 difference between the retina display and the "15 MBP with the same graphics specs. I think the choice comes down to the retina display or the £999 13" one. If I go for a "15 then I might aswell get the Retina display.

Any more info on this graphics difference between the 13" and 15" would be great.

[Hooj]

Buying a Macbook in general is a stupid thing to do unless you wanna spunk a grand on low - medium spec laptop. If you do Video Editing then just get a Mini Mac. They are cheaper more powerful and are priced alright enough to make even me want one. Also they fit in your bag.

[Mishmashmoo]

(Original post by Hooj)
Buying a Macbook in general is a stupid thing to do unless you wanna spunk a grand on low - medium spec laptop. If you do Video Editing then just get a Mini Mac. They are cheaper more powerful and are priced alright enough to make even me want one. Also they fit in your bag.

A mini mac? Where is the monitor? I want a laptop so I can use it to write essays because my course is mainly essay based. What is with all this Mac v everything else? Someone give me a real reason why I shouldn't get a mac and I'll listen. So far the opposition is lacking.

Also the main point of this thread is to choose which Macbook Pro, not to ask "should I get a mac?".

[Inverse]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
The number of Mac's is bigger than you think, although I admit 650,000 is a big number. It's not just the specs when it comes to a mac. The operating system maximises the use of the hardware in a way that other operating systems don't. The design works in a very fluid and efficient way. I don't want a desktop and when it comes to laptops I have never experienced a laptop that can achieve the same speed when using Adobe Premier pro. You've obviously never tried to edit HD video on a laptop.

Back to the original point of this thread, taking into account the probably usefulness of the graphics processor there is only £250 difference between the retina display and the "15 MBP with the same graphics specs. I think the choice comes down to the retina display or the £999 13" one. If I go for a "15 then I might aswell get the Retina display.

Any more info on this graphics difference between the 13" and 15" would be great.

Apple's PC market share is something like 10%, which is tiny. I have, using SV pro 10, and it was a decent experience.

They will all work, the amount of money you want to throw away is your choice, though.

[Hooj]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
A mini mac? Where is the monitor? I want a laptop so I can use it to write essays because my course is mainly essay based. What is with all this Mac v everything else? Someone give me a real reason why I shouldn't get a mac and I'll listen. So far the opposition is lacking.

Also the main point of this thread is to choose which Macbook Pro, not to ask "should I get a mac?".

Pick up an Acer Monitor for £50 and a Mini Mac. You can still write essays and stuff on a Mini Mac and save the rest that would have been wasted on a laptop...

[PVisitors]

Just to go back to the retina.

It will cost the same or more to get the normal MBP15 with the same specs as the MBPR (SSD + Ram upgrade). I'd be interested to see Inverse or another be able to post a laptop similar to the MBPR to match their 'grossly overpriced' claims. The MBPR on the contrary is actually quite aggressively priced.

You get what you pay for with a Mac. Not many windows laptops will come close to the other features a Macbook offers. It is simply too naive to just look at something by specifications and judge upon that. If you have the money to afford one, then buy it. It won't be a bad purchase. Quite simply there is nothing which will offer what a Macbook offers for half the price. In fact some PC OEM laptops which are closely similar to Apple's Macbook range are either priced the same or more expensive.

Edit: Take into account the MBPR's 650m is overclocked to perform like a 660m.

Oh and OP, the dedicated graphics card will make a big difference over the HD4000 for tasks which use the video card. It all depends whether you will actually be using the video card to need the dGPU.

[Mishmashmoo]

(Original post by PVisitors)
Just to go back to the retina.

It will cost the same or more to get the normal MBP15 with the same specs as the MBPR (SSD + Ram upgrade). I'd be interested to see Inverse or another be able to post a laptop similar to the MBPR to match their 'grossly overpriced' claims. The MBPR on the contrary is actually quite aggressively priced.

You get what you pay for with a Mac. Not many windows laptops will come close to the other features a Macbook offers. It is simply too naive to just look at something by specifications and judge upon that. If you have the money to afford one, then buy it. It won't be a bad purchase. Quite simply there is nothing which will offer what a Macbook offers for half the price. In fact some PC OEM laptops which are closely similar to Apple's Macbook range are either priced the same or more expensive.

Edit: Take into account the MBPR's 650m is overclocked to perform like a 660m.

Oh and OP, the dedicated graphics card will make a big difference over the HD4000 for tasks which use the video card. It all depends whether you will actually be using the video card to need the dGPU.

Best post yet. Thank you for the info, I think which ever one I buy it will have to have a dedicated graphics card as most of the applications I will be using will be very taxing on the graphics card.

[Sir Fox]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
Best post yet. Thank you for the info, I think which ever one I buy it will have to have a dedicated graphics card as most of the applications I will be using will be very taxing on the graphics card.

You just said that you need an optical drive - the MBPR doesn't have one. Sure you could always carry around an external DVD drive, but that would basically nullify the MBPR's advantage of thinness and weight.

[Mishmashmoo]

(Original post by Sir Fox)
You just said that you need an optical drive - the MBPR doesn't have one. Sure you could always carry around an external DVD drive, but that would basically nullify the MBPR's advantage of thinness and weight.

Well an hour ago I was just thinking to myself the last time I used my DVD drive. I think the only time I would use it is to watch films and that would be when I'm in my room or I would upload it to my laptop. I think now that most games I buy are digital and music and everything, the need for a DVD drive has disappeared.

[PVisitors]

(Original post by Mishmashmoo)
Well an hour ago I was just thinking to myself the last time I used my DVD drive. I think the only time I would use it is to watch films and that would be when I'm in my room or I would upload it to my laptop. I think now that most games I buy are digital and music and everything, the need for a DVD drive has disappeared.

You can use remote disc sharing too to watch stuff like that too assuming you have a desktop.

[RyJ]

(Original post by Inverse)
You would void your warranty by adding more RAM, and that's a very bad idea.

This isn't true - you can upgrade both the RAM and the Hard Drive (There are guides on how to do these upgrades on the Apple website: http://support.apple.com/manuals/#portablecomputers).

You only void the warranty if you replace the battery (in an obvious way)