[threeportdrift]

You need to be very careful about these statistics that say university admissions are 10% down on last year. They are, but last year they were 10% up n the year before because many people gave up Gap Year plans in order to get into uni under the old fee system. So last year's application numbers were a blip. This year, as far as I understand at the two RG uni's I've worked at in the last year, applications this year have been pretty much back to the previous standard.

[Oh my Ms. Coffey]

(Original post by Muscovite)
so; does this mean they'll be in clearing? I'm genuinely confused as to the relationship between extra and clearing

No idea, they had places left though after the deadline which much be odd for Durham, but they also rejected people for physics.

[nulli tertius]

(Original post by threeportdrift)
You need to be very careful about these statistics that say university admissions are 10% down on last year. They are, but last year they were 10% up n the year before because many people gave up Gap Year plans in order to get into uni under the old fee system. So last year's application numbers were a blip. This year, as far as I understand at the two RG uni's I've worked at in the last year, applications this year have been pretty much back to the previous standard.

Overall applications are down 7.7% with only a 2.6% fall amongst 18 year olds. 19 year olds, where the effect you mention will have most effect, are down 12.1%. All older age groups are significantly down but it isn't clear whether (a) they have been put off applying at all, (b) they accelerated their applications to get in before the fee rise, or (c) they have gone part-time which do not appear in UCAS figures.

The key however is not overall numbers but the applications by subject within an institution. Do you have any information about that.

A lot of RG and 1994 Group universities were Johnnie Come Latelys on the media studies bandwagon and may have been caught out badly by this.

It is no good piling up applications in your law school if no-one wants to do physics.

[nulli tertius]

(Original post by Muscovite)
so; does this mean they'll be in clearing? I'm genuinely confused as to the relationship between extra and clearing

The problem with Extra is that for technical reasons the UCAS website is unreliable as to the true availability of places.

Trying to draw conclusions relating to Extra and clearing is like trying to correlate speed with fuel consumption in a car with a hole in its petrol tank.

[threeportdrift]

(Original post by nulli tertius)

A lot of RG and 1994 Group universities were Johnnie Come Latelys on the media studies bandwagon and may have been caught out badly by this.

I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean by this, can you explain?

[nulli tertius]

(Original post by threeportdrift)
I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean by this, can you explain?

Until the last few years most of the RG and 1994 Group had a fairly sneering contempt for media studies and as the subject grew and sucked in applicants, most of the them ended up at post-92 universities.

The penny eventually dropped with the research universities that there was a very high and increasing demand for media studies courses and the snouts in the research funding trough for it were also "new" universities. As a result over the last 5 or 6 years shiny new media studies centres with lots of expensive technical kit have been sprouting all over the RG and 1994 Group.

It looks as though the funding increase has burst the media studies bubble. Applications for media studies are down much more than the average across all universities. Moreover the research universities are having to rely on general reputation because they have little track record in the subject.

I suspect of lot of VCs are worried that they have invested in capital assets for media studies just as the student market was turning against it.

[YB101]

(Original post by nulli tertius)
Overall applications are down 7.7% with only a 2.6% fall amongst 18 year olds. 19 year olds, where the effect you mention will have most effect, are down 12.1%. All older age groups are significantly down but it isn't clear whether (a) they have been put off applying at all, (b) they accelerated their applications to get in before the fee rise, or (c) they have gone part-time which do not appear in UCAS figures.

The key however is not overall numbers but the applications by subject within an institution. Do you have any information about that.

A lot of RG and 1994 Group universities were Johnnie Come Latelys on the media studies bandwagon and may have been caught out badly by this.

It is no good piling up applications in your law school if no-one wants to do physics.

I do

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ts-age-poverty

[suffocation1992]

"Bols insists that his universities, which hope to stand apart in the new market by offering a more personal student experience, are well placed to do battle with the Russell Group of big research universities for the "best" students."

You'd be forgiven for thinking universities are businesses...

[nulli tertius]

(Original post by YB101)
I do

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ts-age-poverty

Thank you but that is the information from the UCAS Applications Digest. It lists applications by subject and applications by university. It doesn't drill down any further to give application by subject by university.

Assume a university with 2 faculties, physics and law and 200 places for each. It normally gets 800 applicants for physics and 1600 for law. Applications are down 10% this year so instead of 2400 applicants, they have 2160. However law is only down 2%. That means the law faculty has 1568 applicants. Physics only has 592 applicants, a 26% fall. The physics tutors really don't care that the law department is awash with applicants.

A university doesn't convert every offer into a real live student. A solid but not fashionable department may only be converting one in eight or one in ten of its offers into a student. Many do worse than that. That is because many of its offers are turned down or accepted as insurance by people hoping to do better who then do better. Even if the physics department hands out 592 offers to 592 applicants, it won't necessarily get 200 students.

[PQ]

(Original post by beanstalkgirl_24)
No, I'm not a troll. I applied to Surrey University (an ex-poly),

Recieved its charter in 1966 NOT an ex-poly

[nulli tertius]

(Original post by PQ)
Recieved its charter in 1966 NOT an ex-poly

Follow my posts on this thread which explains the issue in mind-numbing detail

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...%20polytechnic

[A.J10]

It's gonna be interesting to see what the knock on effects from the fee hike are, as people said before few people took a gap year so there should be less competition

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my E15i

[PQ]

(Original post by nulli tertius)
Follow my posts on this thread which explains the issue in mind-numbing detail

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...%20polytechnic

This is why most ex-polys prefer the "post 1992" label...it's more specific

[thecookiemonster]

(Original post by Muscovite)
I hope so - if I **** up my a levels I refuse to go to a former-poly

wow, you clearly have no idea about what ex polys are actually like if this is your opinion on them...

[beanstalkgirl_24]

(Original post by PQ)
Recieved its charter in 1966 NOT an ex-poly

It's formerly Battersea Polytechnic and this is how it was founded in 1891.

[PQ]

(Original post by beanstalkgirl_24)
It's formerly Battersea Polytechnic and this is how it was founded in 1891.

"ex-poly" is a label used to identify universities which were granted full university status in 1992. In that sense they only came into existance in 1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytec...ted_Kingdom%29 ) at which point Surrey was no longer using the name "Battersea Polytechnic" and was a year away from being called University of Surrey.

If you want to be pedantic then yes Surrey used to be a polytechnic - but in a different era to what the "ex-poly" label is used to represent.

Edit: if anything the "label" most appropriate for Surrey is Plate Glass...but noone knows what that means any more

[beanstalkgirl_24]

(Original post by PQ)
"ex-poly" is a label used to identify universities which were granted full university status in 1992. In that sense they only came into existance in 1965 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytec...ted_Kingdom%29 ) at which point Surrey was no longer using the name "Battersea Polytechnic" and was a year away from being called University of Surrey.

If you want to be pedantic then yes Surrey used to be a polytechnic - but in a different era to what the "ex-poly" label is used to represent.

Edit: if anything the "label" most appropriate for Surrey is Plate Glass...but noone knows what that means any more

Yeah I know - just pointing it out.

[PQ]

(Original post by beanstalkgirl_24)
Yeah I know - just pointing it out.

Don't you just love the way we can all end up angrily agreeing

[beanstalkgirl_24]

(Original post by PQ)


Don't you just love the way we can all end up angrily agreeing

Uh huh, the only thing I hate is people giving my -ve rep for an informative and logical post. Some people just irritate me on TSR :/

Edit: some people's maturity is amazingly low.