[bishbash72]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
We haven't produced ANY muay Thai champions not Many. And what rubbish MT has been popular here for at least 35 years, twice as long as mma and the ufc. The school I used to spar with ewas establised in 88 . There loads of Mt gyms and trianing camps in most citites but of vastly varying quality. And the better schools of bankok and phucket are regarded inMT circles anyway as some of the worlds best.

35 years? I'm pretty sure that 95% of people in 1975 would not know what Muay Thai is, and most wouldn't today either. Likewise I'd say that very few people have no idea what boxing is.

In both cases it's completely irrelevant because OP is not a professional fighter and does not need a professional gym, and certainly not 'the best gym in the world'

P.S. Please learn how to spell.

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
I think the point he was making was that till the early 20th centruy, boxing was Laregly a trade of crippling body- shots , only the advent iif decent gloves made puches to the head more feasible.

I'm shocked you havrent heard of zangief , iused to play SF2 as a kid maybe I'm shoowing my age but that would have been the precuursor to all your ufc and wwe xbox games. The way you describe your fighting style walking thru punches and grabbinng people till they submit is identical to zangief, if you ever saw that game I'm sure you'd take him as your new sensei

Wasn't that exactly what I said? "The solar plexus, liver, kidneys, and the sides of the neck - that's where you want to punch without wraps and gloves."

That's pretty much the way the Gracies always fought and you seem to have some degree of respect for them and their school of Jiu-jitsu; watch any of Royce's or Rickson's fights - this was their modus operandi. Shoot for a double leg or close distance to the clinch while minimizing striking damage > take them down to the ground > secure side control > transition to mount > armbar or choke. In fact 90% of Royce's fights can be summed up as shoot > takedown > mount > choke/armbar; it's the most fundamental of all Gracie Jiu-jitsu strategies.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
Wasn't that exactly what I said? "The solar plexus, liver, kidneys, and the sides of the neck - that's where you want to punch without wraps and gloves."

That's pretty much the way the Gracies always fought and you seem to have some degree of respect for them and their school of Jiu-jitsu; watch any of Royce's or Rickson's fights - this was their modus operandi. Shoot for a double leg or close distance to the clinch while minimizing striking damage > take them down to the ground > secure side control > transition to mount > armbar or choke. In fact 90% of Royce's fights can be summed up as shoot > takedown > mount > choke/armbar; it's the most fundamental of all Gracie Jiu-jitsu strategies.

The point you miss is that Gracie jujitsu regulalry involved pulling guard on other jj opponenets, which Royce did a lot. And in his ufc fights he was largely up against big wrestling dimwits who ran headlong at him trying to take him down, inviting being choked unconcious . We already established in other threads that the ufc has hardly involved any world class strikers in its tiime, let alone a world standard muay Thai fighter, its not a problem he ever had to deal with, the ufc was made for him
and you also missed the point about boxing, which has evolved to mimic a sport form since the introduction of decent gloves, but originally victorian it was far more focussed on practical ' street fighting' in the same way judo, wrestling etc are practiced in a sport forum and hence are most effective in a ring or on a mat


And I don't know why you have reverted to talking about competition fighting anyway, wasn't the point originally impractiicality of things like judo withhout mats and referees? Unless you are zangief that can walk thru strikes. Tell me can a judo player be impervious to getting his ribs crack by a muay Thai knee?

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Callum828)
35 years? I'm pretty sure that 95% of people in 1975 would not know what Muay Thai is, and most wouldn't today either. Likewise I'd say that very few people have no idea what boxing is.

In both cases it's completely irrelevant because OP is not a professional fighter and does not need a professional gym, and certainly not 'the best gym in the world'

P.S. Please learn how to spell.

it is not 'irrellevant' because if you know about muay Thai and some one asks for advice, you don't tell them to go train in some mma class, a fitness first or even pick the first school they see , not unless you don't actually train martial arts yourself. Its not about training to be world champion, its learning sound technique , when you have sparred with high level guys then switch to guys training at some local clube with huges holes in their guard you would know the difference. And don't worry bout my spelling this. Is a martial arts thread not an English exam.

[bishbash72]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
it is irrellevant because if you know about muay Thai and some one asks for advice, you don't tell them to go train in some mma class, a fitness first or even pick the first school they see , not unless you don't actually train martial arts yourself. Its not about training to be world champion, its leanriing sound technique , when you have sparred with high level guys then switch to guys training at some local clube with huges holes in their guard you would know the difference. And don't worry bout my spelling this. Is a martial arts thread not an English exam.

You weren't telling him to pick a good club, you were telling him to GO TO THAILAND. There's a significant difference.

Plus, why does he need perfect MT technique if he can have perfect MMA technique? I realise that there are slight differences between pure MT and MT for MMA, but the latter is far more similar to any real conflict he's going to get into, where take-downs are a threat.

P.S. Correct English isn't reserved solely for the exam hall, and your writing is hurting my brain.

[pietro93]

I'd be interested in taking Muay Thai, but I have never been really doing sports in 19 years and I perhaps is a bit late to start now? Should I work out at the gym for the first year and maybe try learning a sport later?

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Callum828)
You weren't telling him to pick a good club, you were telling him to GO TO THAILAND. There's a significant difference.

Plus, why does he need perfect MT technique if he can have perfect MMA technique? I realise that there are slight differences between pure MT and MT for MMA, but the latter is far more similar to any real conflict he's going to get into, where take-downs are a threat.

P.S. Correct English isn't reserved solely for the exam hall, and your writing is hurting my brain.

You brain would be better served learning to read properly - i didnt tell him to go to thailand, i said if the option was available a stint in schools that compete at lumpinee or bangla level would be the best possible muay training available. I did also then go on to state there are affiliated such schools now in euorpe and the uk, one of which is suggested was in halifax. so i dont know why you are wading into a conversation with such diluted knowledge of muay thai, you arnt doing OP any favours.
please dont make any bigger fool of yourself with comments about mma lol - there is no "perfect mma technique"; what you learn in mma clubs is the very basic level of boxing, wrestling and jiu jistsu. You dont learn how to do any of them properly. Any body with sound martial arts training of various types can avoid a "taken down threat " in real-life - a decent muay thai fighter will crack your head into two pieces with his knee for your efforts.

[TheJ0ker]

(Original post by JohnC2211)
Go with Muay Thai. Boxing is a good sport, but in my humble opinion it's becoming a little bit out dated nowadays. Even from a self defence perspective although you aren't going to be doing head kicks and spinning kicks, learning how to effectively utilise your knees and elbows would be very useful.

Outdated?

why?

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by pietro93)
I'd be interested in taking Muay Thai, but I have never been really doing sports in 19 years and I perhaps is a bit late to start now? Should I work out at the gym for the first year and maybe try learning a sport later?

dude if you are from rome, you can go here
http://www.muaythai.it/

trainer is marco de cesaris who is one of the best muay boran and muay thai guys in europe

[pietro93]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
dude if you are from rome, you can go here
http://www.muaythai.it/

trainer is marco de cesaris who is one of the best muay boran and muay thai guys in europe

I'm not from Rome and I'm moving to Glasgow next month for uni... im checkin out that website anyway

[JohnC2211]

(Original post by TheJ0ker)
Outdated?

why?

It's one dimensional. It's a good base to start from as it teaches you good foot work, distance, not to mention the fitness required to do it, but it's still one dimensional.

[TheJ0ker]

(Original post by JohnC2211)
It's one dimensional. It's a good base to start from as it teaches you good foot work, distance, not to mention the fitness required to do it, but it's still one dimensional.

Wait how does that make it out-dated again? It's still watched, enjoyed and practised by more people than any other martial art, so in fact it's very much in date.

[Ollieeeee]

I'm in Australia at the moment, but I'm heading here at the start of September for 3 months - www.rawaimuaythai.com - it looks awesome.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Ollieeeee)
I'm in Australia at the moment, but I'm heading here at the start of September for 3 months - www.rawaimuaythai.com - it looks awesome.

i see a lot of aussies around london wearing rawai t-shirts, seems quite popular over there

[Ollieeeee]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)

i see a lot of aussies around london wearing rawai t-shirts, seems quite popular over there

Yeah I heard about it whilst I was working on a farm with a load of other backpackers. There are a couple of other places in Phuket, but this one looks so fun.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Ollieeeee)
Yeah I heard about it whilst I was working on a farm with a load of other backpackers. There are a couple of other places in Phuket, but this one looks so fun.

teh raiwai lot go to a sister school in phuket im told, though i hadnt heard of it.

if you are heading over to thailand, the best ones ive heard of ( that are foreigner friendly) are Sor vorapin in bangkok, Bangplee, kawsamrit and obviously fairtex, though im not a big fan of this anymore, more of a tourist attraction nowadays.If you can afford the higher rates, you can also vist buakaws own gym, porpramuk, he often hangs around and gives sparring tips ive heard.