[dongonaeatu]

(Original post by Nacho King)
I've read over some of the OT, it totally destroys the image of an all loving God. No wonder Gideons decide to only give out the NT to schools, its my theory that they know that the OT is not a good recruiting tool to Christianity, so they pretend it doesn't exist.

its old testement christianity is new testement

[Nacho King]

(Original post by dongonaeatu)
its old testement christianity is new testement

Can you explain?

[Cephalus]

Yeah common Christian critic takes everything out of context. I think when God says this, he means that he has set a limit of 120 years for the flood to come from the instance of him speaking

[dongonaeatu]

(Original post by Nacho King)
What does that matter? If you are saying that the Bible is not relevant to us today, then why is God not releasing Bible version 2?

because we dont live in mosaic times. in new testement it clearly states we dont need to follow laws of old testement anymore because of jesus christ therefore the 120 years rule does not mean anything

[dongonaeatu]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Can you explain?

old testement is torah, the jewish scriptures. As u know christianity evolved from old testement, jesus was a jew. It even says in new testement not to follow rules of old testement. If u are to criticise christianity u cannot just pick out verses from old testement as they no longer apply

[Nacho King]

(Original post by dongonaeatu)
because we dont live in mosaic times. in new testement it clearly states we dont need to follow laws of old testement anymore because of jesus christ therefore the 120 years rule does not mean anything

Can you quote me a bible verse on this please.

[Nacho King]

(Original post by dongonaeatu)
old testement is torah, the jewish scriptures. As u know christianity evolved from old testement, jesus was a jew. It even says in new testement not to follow rules of old testement. If u are to criticise christianity u cannot just pick out verses from old testement as they no longer apply

I need a specific verse where it says this.

[dongonaeatu]

(Original post by Nacho King)
I need a specific verse where it says this.

ok m8 let me get my bible out and i'll try and find it

[Ursin]

She faked her birth certificate, she wasn't that old really.

[Cephalus]

(Original post by Nacho King)
I need a specific verse where it says this.

Luke 22:20

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood"

The new covenant refers to the rules that Jesus had established, rendering the old covenant that God established with Israel in the OT obsolete. God also implied that this would happen in the OT too I think

I forgot to add the reference for why it is obsolete. See Hebrews 8:13
"By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear."

[callum9999]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Since when did we dismiss things because they were in the Old Testement? You can't just throw away 50% of the Bible.

It's generally dismissed by Western Christians now because they can no longer plausibly justify the rubbish inside it.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Genesis 6:3

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

Many Christians interpret this as God putting a limit on human age up to 120 years old.

However Jeanne Louise Calment lived to 122 years, 164 days from 21 February 1875 – 4 August 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Um that verse isn't using time in our measures.

Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham all lived longer than 120. So right there in the very first book, that verse was proven wrong. Forget the person who lived 122...that's peanuts compared to Adam who lived into his 900's

[Nacho King]

(Original post by Cephalus)
Luke 22:20

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood"

The new covenant refers to the rules that Jesus had established, rendering the old covenant that God established with Israel in the OT obsolete. God also implied that this would happen in the OT too I think

Thats too vague.

Also you maybe want to look at these quotes which contradict this.

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” John 10:35

Therefore the OT cannot be ignored and the only reason Christians preach that the OT is irrelevant is to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by God, and excuse the evil of God.

[Nacho King]

(Original post by .eXe)
Um that verse isn't using time in our measures.

Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham all lived longer than 120. So right there in the very first book, that verse was proven wrong. Forget the person who lived 122...that's peanuts compared to Adam who lived into his 900's

Do you really believe Adam could live till 900?

[.eXe]

(Original post by Nacho King)
I need a specific verse where it says this.

Galatians 3:23-25

This is why Christians do not follow the laws of the Old Testament.

It's important to remember that just because we don't follow them, doesn't mean we rip them out of the Bible and destroy them. Jesus said: I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Jesus came and fulfilled the law and when he died and resurrected, the old laws were not applicable anymore...only faith mattered.

I love that Galatians verse because it actually puts it extremely plainly, instead of beating around the bush.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Do you really believe Adam could live till 900?

Yes. Because I don't believe the measure of time back then was the same that we use today. Meaning, their day was most likely not 24 hours and a year need not have been 365 days.

[TimmonaPortella]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Did he mean 'Man' as short for 'Mankind' meaning human beings collectively?

Clearly. "He" is very clearly used as a gender neutral pronoun here.

Anyway, clearly we miscounted that person's age, because the bible is the literal word of god and that can't be wrong.

[Nacho King]

(Original post by .eXe)
Galatians 3:23-25

This is why Christians do not follow the laws of the Old Testament.

It's important to remember that just because we don't follow them, doesn't mean we rip them out of the Bible and destroy them. Jesus said: I have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Jesus came and fulfilled the law and when he died and resurrected, the old laws were not applicable anymore...only faith mattered.

I love that Galatians verse because it actually puts it extremely plainly, instead of beating around the bush.

"23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. "


Also vague, what law does it mean? The law of goverment, society, God? Also why would God suddenly change his mind on everything he said in the OT just because he sent his son to Earth?

[dongonaeatu]

(Original post by Nacho King)
"23 Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. "


Also vague, what law does it mean? The law of goverment, society, God? Also why would God suddenly change his mind on everything he said in the OT just because he sent his son to Earth?

are you a christian

[.eXe]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Also vague, what law does it mean? The law of goverment, society, God? Also why would God suddenly change his mind on everything he said in the OT just because he sent his son to Earth?

Now you're being pedantic. Obviously the law was referring to the Old Testament. This is why atheists like you get on my nerves...we have to work ****ing hard to find you the minute verses, in the hopes that you can understand some of our scripture and you just throw a stupid question back at our face.

At least I try to see the atheist's perspective even though I am a Christian. You are too close minded to see anything else.

And you call people like us brainwashed

It seems the only thing that will satisfy you is if the verse said "THE OLD TESTAMENT IS NOT VALID"

That sound about right?