[imasupercoolgeek]

You cannot.

You said it is one sin and Christians sin but the difference between a Christian and non Christian is that a Christian must NOT LIVE IN SIN.. If we are dead to sin, how can we live in it? Apostle Paul said in the book of Romans.


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[navarre]

(Original post by Cephalus)
They do. But sexual activity is limited to marriage. And Jesus defined marriage to be between a man and woman. Do you see why homosexuals cant fit in here? And sorry I don't get your last part

My last part meant that Christians choose to get rid of the OT parts like not eating pork, but still keep with OT parts regarding homosexuality.

It makes no sense.

[Cephalus]

(Original post by navarre)
My last part meant that Christians choose to get rid of the OT parts like not eating pork, but still keep with OT parts regarding homosexuality.

It makes no sense.

Well, you are correct in saying that, some people do cherry pick. That's why I limit myself to New Testament arguments such as that to do with the definition of marriage by jesus etc

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
You cannot.

You said it is one sin and Christians sin but the difference between a Christian and non Christian is that a Christian must NOT LIVE IN SIN.. If we are dead to sin, how can we live in it? Apostle Paul said in the book of Romans.


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So you are going to claim that only those who are completely without sin are Christians? Do you know how many things are sinful???

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Cephalus)
No that is actually very dangerous for a Christian to do that. If the Christian accepts God's gift, and then does not try to turn away from their sins, it's quite dangerous

see Hebrews 10:26

For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins

My point is that Christians repeat sins all the time. What about Christians who have sex before marriage?? And many other sins? There are so many sins and Christians commit them constantly but it doesn't make them less Christian.

[Cephalus]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
So you are going to claim that only those who are completely without sin are Christians? Do you know how many things are sinful???

No, Christians cannot be without sin. When you accept Jesus, you still have the 'baggage' of your 'past' life. The point is deliberately doing it, over and over, without trying to stop

[Cephalus]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
My point is that Christians repeat sins all the time. What about Christians who have sex before marriage?? And many other sins? There are so many sins and Christians commit them constantly but it doesn't make them less Christian.

Well, define 'less Christian'. Perhaps it doesn't, but it's clear it seperates them from God

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Cephalus)
Well, define 'less Christian'. Perhaps it doesn't, but it's clear it seperates them from God

So does all sin. So...why say that homosexuals all of a sudden aren't Christian but other sinners are?

[imasupercoolgeek]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
So you are going to claim that only those who are completely without sin are Christians? Do you know how many things are sinful???

When did I say that man? I said we cannot live in sin, we CAN sin... We are not perfect yet but we cannot deliberately stay in the same sin as it means that Jesus hasn't freed us from the addiction because we never fully surrenders our lives

This may Be you trying to justify homosexuality but don't do it. Life is too short man. FULLY SURRENDER,... Why gain the world and lose your soul?


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[Cephalus]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
So does all sin. So...why say that homosexuals all of a sudden aren't Christian but other sinners are?

Oh no sorry you misunderstand me. I never said that. Sin is sin.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
When did I say that man? I said we cannot live in sin, we CAN sin... We are not perfect yet but we cannot deliberately stay in the same sin as it means that Jesus hasn't freed us from the addiction because we never fully surrenders our lives

This may Be you trying to justify homosexuality but don't do it. Life is too short man. FULLY SURRENDER,... Why gain the world and lose your soul?


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What? 1. I'm not Christian and am asking how one can say that just because a person is homosexual that they can't be christian. 2. If you can commit sin you are living in sin. You can repent but you still live in sin. By your standards people who have sex before marriage can't be christians because they never fully surrendered themselves. Yet I'm pretty sure you would still call them Christian.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Cephalus)
Oh no sorry you misunderstand me. I never said that. Sin is sin.

uh...yes you did...in response to my OP you said

(Original post by Cephalus)
No, I would say no.

Being attracted to the same sex is not wrong, but homosexual acts are

So you did say homosexuals can't be Christian, or are you saying that all sinners aren't Christian?

[imasupercoolgeek]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
What? 1. I'm not Christian and am asking how one can say that just because a person is homosexual that they can't be christian. 2. If you can commit sin you are living in sin. You can repent but you still live in sin. By your standards people who have sex before marriage can't be christians because they never fully surrendered themselves. Yet I'm pretty sure you would still call them Christian.

You are not understanding what I'm saying. "living in sin" is not committing the sin once but constantly keeps doing the sin..


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[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
You are not understanding what I'm saying. "living in sin" is not committing the sin once but constantly keeps doing the sin..


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And as I have already said many times, many Christians commit the same sins over and over again. For example have sex before marriage. That is a sin. Yet Christians do it, constantly. Or do you think they aren't Christians either? http://www.wogim.org/sinlist.htm Christians repeatedly commit sins. That doesn't make them not Christian.

[Cephalus]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
uh...yes you did...in response to my OP you said


So you did say homosexuals can't be Christian, or are you saying that all sinners aren't Christian?

You are just not listening. Everybody sins

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Being gay is not wrong.

However, what is wrong is if you act on this continually. If you do this, you are not truly repenting and doing what Christ ordered.

It would be the same if you kept on commiting adultery, or lying for example.

[+ polarity -]

Everything is permissible

(but not everything is beneficial [rest of the verse])

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Cephalus)
You are just not listening. Everybody sins

Romans 3:23 ESV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Being gay is not wrong.

However, what is wrong is if you act on this continually. If you do this, you are not truly repenting and doing what Christ ordered.

It would be the same if you kept on commiting adultery, or lying for example.

I understand and have addressed that. I have also said everyone sins. And have asked you would you consider those who repeatedly have sex before marriage Christians? Or liars? etc?

[Cephalus]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
I understand and have addressed that. I have also said everyone sins. And have asked you would you consider those who repeatedly have sex before marriage Christians? Or liars? etc?

It depends if they tried to repent. If they go on carefree, then obviously I would doubt the sincerity of their beliefs, so the answer to your question is yes.

[callan]

In Catholicism, the ideas on homosexuality have been redrafted and modernised. It is acceptable to be gay, and so you can be Catholic/Christian, and you can have a homosexual relationship. The act of sex is a sin, as the intention of sex is to produce children which gay people cannot, and it is also believed that homosexuals cannot have be married because the intention of a marriage is to raise children.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Cephalus)
It depends if they tried to repent. If they go on carefree, then obviously I would doubt the sincerity of their beliefs, so the answer to your question is yes.

But so then your original assessment is false. If a homosexual repents he can still be Christian even if he practices homosexual acts. Just because you doubt the sincerity of their beliefs doesn't mean their beliefs aren't sincere.

EDIT: In addition to this then many 'Christians' are not really Christians. Just judging other people is a sin and Christians judge others all the time. By saying you doubt the sincerity of another's belief you are judging their own beliefs. And I'm sure many and yourself do this many times. http://www.wogim.org/sinlist.htm There are many sins, many of which are committed again and again.