Could a United States of Europe ever work?
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Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?Why does there have to be an official language?(Original post by *Corinna*)
What about languages? Which language would be the official language of the USE? -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?If each stare had separate language/culture/political and legal system etc then what exactly would be the point of one unified country? It would basically have no difference to the situation as it is now. Everyone can move and work freely within the EU so what would change?(Original post by Addzter)
Why does there have to be an official language? -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?Plenty of countries have different regions that speak different languages; just look at Switzerland. Language certainly would't be a real barrier for a United States of Europe.(Original post by *Corinna*)
If each stare had separate language/culture/political and legal system etc then what exactly would be the point of one unified country? It would basically have no difference to the situation as it is now. Everyone can move and work freely within the EU so what would change? -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?There is a difference between 2-3 languages (in this case everyone could learn at least two from family/schooling) and god knows how many there are across the EU. I literally don't see what difference there would be between a USE and the EU(Original post by Addzter)
Plenty of countries have different regions that speak different languages; just look at Switzerland. Language certainly would't be a real barrier for a United States of Europe. -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?The North and South USA had a civil war not too long ago, yet they have put the bad history behind them.(Original post by FrostyLemon)
Too much bad history between nations and the cultures are too varied for it to be anything like the United States. -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?Exactly. Such a huge, culturally diverse state would probably devolve a lot of powers to the pre-USE nation states, with only certain things controlled by the federal government, such as defence, intelligence, monetary policy, etc. And the EU isn't exactly falling apart due to language barriers.(Original post by *Corinna*)
There is a difference between 2-3 languages (in this case everyone could learn at least two from family/schooling) and god knows how many there are across the EU. I literally don't see what difference there would be between a USE and the EU
If we ever got a USE, it'd probably start off very similar to the EU now, and over time, as cultural and language barriers erode, the federal government would start to absorb more powers, and eventually you'd have something that resembles the United States, where the majority of citizens speak English, German or French. -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?I think you're right that there wouldn't be that much difference in practice between the EU as it currently is and a heavily decentralised federal state.(Original post by *Corinna*)
There is a difference between 2-3 languages (in this case everyone could learn at least two from family/schooling) and god knows how many there are across the EU. I literally don't see what difference there would be between a USE and the EU
I think the main differences would be a unified foreign policy and military. For example no individual state would have the power to enter a war, that power would be reserved for the federal government. -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?Do you see a USE with a US-style written constitution or is a more flexible un-written constitution better for a USE? And what would you do about human rights? Keep the separate ECHR or integrate it into a more powerful USE ECHR where states would actually get in big trouble for failing to adhere to it.(Original post by Morgsie)
Yes a USE would work but the Institutions of the EU needs to be reformed: the European Parliament can initiate Legislation, direct Elections for Senior Posts, beefed up EEAS etc -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?The EU has applied to join the ECHR, there is the Charter on Fundamental Rights aswell.(Original post by Lady Maleficent)
Do you see a USE with a US-style written constitution or is a more flexible un-written constitution better for a USE? And what would you do about human rights? Keep the separate ECHR or integrate it into a more powerful USE ECHR where states would actually get in big trouble for failing to adhere to it.
On the issue of a Constitution, I am not sure but prefer something like the TEU and TFEU. (Treaty on European Union and Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union) -
Re: Could a United States of Europe ever work?
If Europe was every to become a country, or superpower, I think we'd need to model it on something original instead of copying America, so in the more densely populated countries, i.e. England, you can't move to live there unless a certain amount of people leave.
Perhaps we don't need to do this anyway, we're all EU citizens now. Status quo, or at least stay as the EU but reform it heavily maybe, but not make it a country.