[MacDaddi]

Yeah basically. It will need some whopping piece of legislation which I don't think I can do on my own.

Before anybody asks, it will focus more on the rehabilitation of prisoners.

[Life_peer]

Another committee?

[MacDaddi]

Aww yeah

[tehFrance]

Send the prisoners to work camps or make them serve in the military until their sentence is up. Quite an easy reform I'd say

[tomcol23]

(Original post by tehFrance)
Send the prisoners to work camps or make them serve in the military until their sentence is up. Quite an easy reform I'd say

What sort of work would they do in the army, because I think it would be a rather stupid idea in giving them weapons.

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by tehFrance)
Send the prisoners to work camps or make them serve in the military until their sentence is up. Quite an easy reform I'd say

Aw yeah because that's going to work

[tehFrance]

(Original post by tomcol23)
What sort of work would they do in the army, because I think it would be a rather stupid idea in giving them weapons.

Why would it be a stupid idea to give them weapons? if they are trained to a high standard and kept under strict observation, the likelihood of them doing something stupid to what would become one of their own is very slim indeed... look towards the 'Légion étrangère'... the main sign-ups where from criminals, from murderers to pick pockets... it changed people for the better and I believe it would work in the UK too as an offshoot of the regular army.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by MacDaddi)
Aw yeah because that's going to work

See the above, it is based on 'Légion étrangère'

[tomcol23]

(Original post by tehFrance)
Why would it be a stupid idea to give them weapons? if they are trained to a high standard and kept under strict observation, the likelihood of them doing something stupid to what would become one of their own is very slim indeed... look towards the 'Légion étrangère'... the main sign-ups where from criminals, from murderers to pick pockets... it changed people for the better and I believe it would work in the UK too as an offshoot of the regular army.

You have obviously never watched bad lads army

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by tehFrance)
See the above, it is based on 'Légion étrangère'

What about giving them practical skills?

What about giving the best behaved prisoners an option to work for money which they can send home to their family and maybe even a fund to help them get back on their feet when they get back out of prison. Putting them in control, stripping prison rooms bare and allowing then to furnish them with money THEY have earned.

And whilst your at it, let private companies invest so we can make a profit out of it too.

Too many prisoners end up reoffending as they are institutionalised and unskilled - this solves both these problems, whilst costing much less for the government.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by tomcol23)
You have obviously never watched bad lads army

No I haven't.

(Original post by MacDaddi)
What about giving them practical skills?

What about giving the best behaved prisoners an option to work for money which they can send home to their family and maybe even a fund to help them get back on their feet when they get back out of prison. Putting them in control, stripping prison rooms bare and allowing then to furnish them with money THEY have earned.

And whilst your at it, let private companies invest so we can make a profit out of it too.

Too many prisoners end up reoffending as they are institutionalised and unskilled - this solves both these problems, whilst costing much less for the government.

You get practical skills in the army, you don't get a full on education but it gives a man structure to which he can then go on and better his life with and once his sentence is over, if he wishes to leave the service, I am not against helping them financially to go back to university and start from scratch.

Is this not what the army does? put them to work? and you don't have to be the best behaved prisoner to go into the army.

No thank you, I wouldn't want to endanger the populace that are not criminals.

Yes true, hence the need for military service.

Don't tell me you are really against this because you are against the military

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by tehFrance)
No I haven't.

You get practical skills in the army, you don't get a full on education but it gives a man structure to which he can then go on and better his life with and once his sentence is over, if he wishes to leave the service, I am not against helping them financially to go back to university and start from scratch.

Is this not what the army does? put them to work? and you don't have to be the best behaved prisoner to go into the army.

No thank you, I wouldn't want to endanger the populace that are not criminals.

Yes true, hence the need for military service.

Don't tell me you are really against this because you are against the military

TRaining prisoners to kill people - it doesn't really make sense.

I am against a large military yes, but just sticking people in uniform doesn't solve anything long term apart from please the right wingers

[tehFrance]

(Original post by MacDaddi)
TRaining prisoners to kill people - it doesn't really make sense.

I am against a large military yes, but just sticking people in uniform doesn't solve anything long term apart from please the right wingers

Yes because all the army does is train people to kill people

Unpatriotic much?

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by tehFrance)
Yes because all the army does is train people to kill people

Unpatriotic much?

Basically.

No not unpatriotic, just sensible. I am feeling very patriotic with all the Olympics and such at the moment.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by MacDaddi)
Basically.

No not unpatriotic, just sensible. I am feeling very patriotic with all the Olympics and such at the moment.

Wow. That is not all the army teach so just wow.

Oh so lets all get invaded by Germany again or the US could invade, having a small army is silly. Are you? so am I with France's 7 medals to the UK's 3...

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by tehFrance)
Wow. That is not all the army teach so just wow.

Oh so lets all get invaded by Germany again or the US could invade, having a small army is silly. Are you? so am I with France's 7 medals to the UK's 3...

Oh yeah because in this day and age that's going to happen. In the modern war there will be no such thing as conventional war.

Oh yeah cycling hasn't even started yet.

[Rakas21]

Go on.. What is the idea?

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by Rakas21)
Go on.. What is the idea?

From earlier:

What about giving them practical skills?

What about giving the best behaved prisoners an option to work for money which they can send home to their family and maybe even a fund to help them get back on their feet when they get back out of prison. Putting them in control, stripping prison rooms bare and allowing then to furnish them with money THEY have earned.

And whilst your at it, let private companies invest so we can make a profit out of it too.

Too many prisoners end up reoffending as they are institutionalised and unskilled - this solves both these problems, whilst costing much less for the government.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by MacDaddi)
Oh yeah because in this day and age that's going to happen. In the modern war there will be no such thing as conventional war.

Oh yeah cycling hasn't even started yet.

Oh yes because we have nuclear weapons... all of the recent wars have either been conventional or guerrilla warfare, no nuclear war and I doubt there will be.

Oh I am so offended

[toronto353]

(Original post by MacDaddi)
What about giving them practical skills?

What about giving the best behaved prisoners an option to work for money which they can send home to their family and maybe even a fund to help them get back on their feet when they get back out of prison. Putting them in control, stripping prison rooms bare and allowing then to furnish them with money THEY have earned.

And whilst your at it, let private companies invest so we can make a profit out of it too.

Too many prisoners end up reoffending as they are institutionalised and unskilled - this solves both these problems, whilst costing much less for the government.

This might be some help around which you can base your own Bill. It wasn't voted upon, but, as the author, you have my permission in advance should you wish to use it in any way, shape or form.

B350 - Prison Work Scheme Bill, TSR UKIP

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

1. Prison Work Scheme

(1) Upon Royal Assent, all prisons in the United Kingdom shall be required to provide a "Prison Work Scheme"
(2) Companies shall be allowed to bid for the opportunity to employ prisoners as a temporary workforce as described in section 3 of this Act.

2. Responsibilities of the Prisoner

(1) All prisoners shall be required to undertake 8 hours of work a day for at least 5 days a week unless they are specifically exempt from this scheme.
(2) Prisoners shall be paid the minimum wage and the wage shall increase as the minimum wage increases.
(3) Any prisoner who does not take part in the scheme shall not receive any privileges which they would normally receive.
(4) For the purposes of this Act:-
'privileges' refers to any and all items that are distributed by prison staff to offenders such as Playstations and televisions
(5) Prisoners shall be required to work at least 230 days a year.
(6) Prisoners shall receive 1 weeks holiday for both Christmas and Easter.
(7) All prisoners shall not work during religious festivals.
(8) Prisoners shall not work weekends, but they may choose to work at this time if they wish to do so.
(9) The working day shall be from 9am - 5pm
(10) All work shall be completed within the confines of the prison.

3. Responsibilities of the Company

(1) All companies shall be required to enter a bidding process in order to secure contracts.
(2) All bids shall be considered by the governor of each prison on the following criteria:
(i) Economic viability
(ii) The skills which it will provide prisoners with
(3) Companies who are successful shall be required to provide all the materials to complete any and all contracts and shall contribute to the scheme as shown in section 4 of this Act.

4. Funding of the Scheme

(1) The Government shall allocate £500 million worth of funding for this scheme.
(2) The Government shall provide from this fund £2 per hour per prisoner to participate in this scheme.
(3) All successful companies shall pay each prisoner £2.93 per hour per prisoner.
(4) All successful companies shall pay for all supplies used to fulfil the contract.
(5) The Government shall receive 1/3 of the profits from the contracts which are fulfilled in prisons.
(6) Both the Government and successful companies will not have to pay national insurance, income tax or pension contributions.

5. Compensation of Victims and Allocation of Income

(1) £3 from the £5.93 per hour earned by prisoners shall be used to compensate the victims of the offender's crime.
(2) The remaining £2.93 shall be used as follows:
(i) £1 shall be used to cover the costs of imprisoning each offender
(ii) £1.93 shall be paid into a bank account to be accessed by the offender upon their release


6. Exemptions

(1) All prisoners held in Psychiatric Hospitals are exempt from the scheme
(2) All prisoners under the age of 16 are exempt from the scheme and instead shall receive employment education based around the skills necessary for employment
(3) All prisoners who are engaging in some form of education scheme in prison shall be exempt from this scheme.

7. Commencement, short title and extent:

(1) This Act may be cited as the Prison Work Scheme Act 2011
(2) This Act shall extend to the whole of the United Kingdom
(3) This Act shall come into force immediately following Royal Assent.

Explanatory Notes

Funding is allocated by the Central Government on the basis that the maximum prisoner population is currently at 88000 people. Given that the government is paying £2 an hour, multiplying that by 8 and again by 230 means that £325 million will be spent by the Government. The Government will easily recoup this money. This is achieved by two means. The first is by the £1.00 per hour rebate for the government from the prisoner's wages. This will provide £161 million for the Government. The remaining money will come from profitable contracts. It is likely that money from the banking levy will be needed to supplement this, but the scheme is, largely, economically self-sufficient. It is possible that, combined with the 1/3 share in profits from each contract and other taxes on profits, this scheme could become fully self-sufficient and may even provide a provide a profit for the Government. Below are the exact figures for this scheme:

Outlay:

Wages: £323840000


Return:

Return from Wages: £161920000

Shortfall: £161920000 ( This will be made up from profit taxation and the share of profit per contract and bank levy)


Employment Concerns:

It is likely that this will not affect employment of non-prisoners. This is due to the fact that the majority of jobs outside prisons can not be done in prison. Reducing the contribution to the minimum wage to just £3.93 means that we can become more economically competitive and the removal of taxations makes this project quite attractive to companies which might have otherwise outsourced jobs from the UK. This is likely to have little or no effect on employment levels whatsoever.

This Bill also allows the Government to put prisoners in that '9 to 5' routine which is crucial to the economy. Teaching prisoners skills will improve their employability upon release which will help the economic recovery.


Bills:

While I am aware that the 'minimum wage' does not exist, for the purposes of this Bill, this is the wage level which I will be working from to establish a level at which to set wages. It will allow prisoners to work for something realistic rather than a smaller figure plucked from the air.

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