[eff01]

(Original post by Ysolt)
Its not a huge achievement, only a small one, but yes it is good.

Yes indeed, a huge step in the right directions. However I believe this house should encourage these countries to continue to improve equality for women and encourage the participation of women in a range of sporting events. Of course this is not going to happen over the night, but the fact that countries such as KSA and Qatar have included women in their teams is a significant step.

[Hopple]

(Original post by eff01)
I see where you are coming from. I do agree with male and female mixed participation in certain non contact sports. But this motion is really about as I have stated acknowledging this significant achievement and encouraging countries to improve equality for women. What's your views on that?

It's a token achievement, just because it's possible for women to compete for their country doesn't mean we don't know they've really had to fight their government to get there. Obviously it's a good thing if nobody's prevented from representing their country, but to herald presence alone as equality is harmful to those pushing for proper equality.

[Rhadamanthus]

Nah, I think we probably have better things to do. Policemen don't thank people for driving sober, I don't see why we should be congratulating people for something that is expected anyway.

[eff01]

(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
why we should be congratulating people for something that is expected anyway.

No I disagree, many of these women live in heavily male dominated conservative societies, where encouragement of participation is limited so their participation is incredibly significant. The real shame is that it has taken soo long to happen.

[Rhadamanthus]

(Original post by eff01)
No I disagree, many of these women live in heavily male dominated conservative societies, where encouragement of participation is limited so their participation is incredibly significant. The real shame is that it has taken soo long to happen.

And what is the point of saying to the Saudis, "congrats for having females on your team! We won't mention that women are still chattel, can't drive cars, can be stoned for adultery and have to sit separately to unmarried men, not to mention that the practice of a religion other than Islam is illegal." This is not a big step forward for these countries - it's a very small one, and I will not congratulate them until they've done more.

[eff01]

(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
And what is the point of saying to the Saudis, "congrats for having females on your team! We won't mention that women are still chattel, can't drive cars, can be stoned for adultery and have to sit separately to unmarried men, not to mention that the practice of a religion other than Islam is illegal." .

And Indeed that is a very fair point. Nevertheless I believe their inclusion is a significant step forward, but that is not to say that they do not have to significantly improve other things. Like I said a few posts before, if they can represent your country, why can't they represent you?

[PierceBrosnan]

This is a highly symbolic move from these conservative nations and I hope that they continue this in order to promote equality and diversity within their nations.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Wildfire S A510e

[eff01]

(Original post by PierceBrosnan)
This is a highly symbolic move from these conservative nations and I hope that they continue this in order to promote equality and diversity within their nations.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Wildfire S A510e

Thank you for your the support and I quite agree with you

[paperclip]

(Original post by eff01)
And Indeed that is a very fair point. Nevertheless I believe their inclusion is a significant step forward, but that is not to say that they do not have to significantly improve other things. Like I said a few posts before, if they can represent your country, why can't they represent you?

Would it not be better to congratulate the women for doing well in the face of oppression then, rather than congratulating a sexist nation for being slightly less sexist?

[xXedixXx]

(Original post by tehFrance)
Why do you need a motion about equality? I see no difference from the last olympics.

(Original post by Melancholy)
The difference is given explicitly in the motion.

Exactly.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by xXedixXx)
Exactly.

Oh congratulations for repeating in such a mundane way.

I know what the motion says however it has made zero difference to those that are back in those countries... they are still oppressed so why throw congratulations around as if something major has happened?

[internetguru]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the PM to make a public statement rather than having a motion go through a vote etc?

[eff01]

V

(Original post by internetguru)
Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the PM to make a public statement rather than having a motion go through a vote etc?

Government too concerned with condemning Coca-Cola? (Referring to their Olympic motion)

[tehFrance]

(Original post by eff01)
Government too concerned with condemning Coca-Cola?

That isn't the government, that is UKIP... read who release bills, motions and statements before making false statements.

[LETSJaM]

While I agree with the statement made; that is all it is.

Will there be any development on a motion we can actually discuss? <3 x

[sugar-n-spice]

Very good well done, to the countries which didn't oppress women have a

Did any countries pull out?

Lets make sure we don't get complacent and let up here, there's still a lot more to be done

[eff01]

(Original post by tehFrance)
That isn't the government, that is UKIP... read who release bills, motions and statements before making false statements.

Whoops, and there was me thinking that UKIP was one of the governing parties...

[internetguru]

(Original post by eff01)
Whoops, and there was me thinking that UKIP was one of the governing parties...

When I was a member of the Conservatives I posted independent bills without any discussion with the government. Just because a party is part of the government it does not mean the other partners agree with them. In fact if UKIP posted a party bill rather than a government bill it generally means that the Conservative party leadership disagreed with it.

[SciFiRory]

(Original post by eff01)
I disagree, the fact that these countries have included women in their teams is a hugely significant step. For example due to the lack of female athletes in KSA, the sporting body was actively encouraging women to take part in certain sports. Let's not be naive, change in these countries will take many years to occur, and many of these countries need to encourage democracy first, but this is a significant step and should welcomed and acknowledged by the house.

oh yes, such a big step, im sure the women living in poverty and oppression in KSA are really grateful that a few of the most privileged people in their nation got token places in a sporting event they may not even be able to watch

[eff01]

(Original post by internetguru)
When I was a member of the Conservatives I posted independent bills without any discussion with the government. Just because a party is part of the government it does not mean the other partners agree with them. In fact if UKIP posted a party bill rather than a government bill it generally means that the Conservative party leadership disagreed with it.

(Original post by TehFrance)
QFA

Indeed and I was also referring to the PMs comments in that thread regarding Coca-Cola