[effofex]

(Original post by Vortexbubbles)
Acceptance. The rise and fall - the failure of facism\nationalism (Axis\Hitler) to the extent where it's taboo to be a nationalist now in england\across europe. Where everyone has to bend the knee to another race, culture or social identity. That is what the west does. Before hitler everyone kept to themselves, multicultrialism was unheard of and people were for the most part very anti-semetic.

The problem these days is that talking negative about immigrantion is now taboo, it's potrayed by the media as an accepted thing.

You have to understand it's not the immigrants fault, they want a better life, have more money, be in a safe country and have better healthcare. It's the governments fault (Mostly labour's open-door policy of recent) The European union and corporate (capitalism)'s fault. The need for cheap minimum wage labour by companies and businesses that normal british people won't take. So of course they would want as many non-fluent english people.

Now the reason for segregation. Well middle-eastern\islam is a very different culture to traditional european values and beliefs. Christianity is declining but islam has only just came out of the dark-ages in most countrys. You cannot mix a lion and a tiger in the same enclosure and expect them to get along. They are of the same species but not of the same place, stature or enviroment.

Mass immigration needs to stop before any real damage happens or should i say before "we" realise the damage that's already been done.

Do you really think that India and China were monocultural?!?!

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by Foghorn Leghorn)
"I spent a day in tower hamlets", damn you must be an expert sociologist now.

Quote where I claimed that.

I am entitled to my views. My views being formed from primary data, rather than the media. I've seen your posts on other threads and you never actually address the issue. Instead, you pick on a section - much like here - and try to respond with a witty comment - again, just like here.

[Vortexbubbles]

I would consider the term no-go area appropriate in stating a area that has social and often racial tensions. I don't doubt that there are gangs of muslim youths prowling that place at night\feeling of uneasyness around a culture\people that is not your own. That is xenophobia. However there's nothing wrong with it infact any 'sane' person should feel threatened with another culture dominating theres in their own country which is why for the most part immigration is a problem.

[effofex]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Yeah, you haven't understood the term 'no-go' area. I had no purpose or desire to enter such areas, but the demographic made it clear that I would not be welcomed.

Three weeks ago I was invited to interview with a company in Amsterdam where all their employees were Dutch (i.e. no foreigners). They seemed pretty welcoming to me, even though I was the only foreigner in the building.

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by effofex)
Most Moslems in London do not wear religious attire. And even the ones who are supposedly 'religious' are often not particularly clear on what classifies as religious attire. They have no authority to enforce their so-called Shariat without legislation being passed approving it anyway. I have been to Shadwell whilst dressed in shorts and have never been harrassed.

Congratulations? How does that refute my points? It doesn't.

You state that 'most [Muslims] in London do not wear religious attire', even though I was there today and you weren't. Fortunately for all on this thread, I go back soon. Let's see how well you do when I have pictorial evidence.

[whyumadtho]

Why do friendship/social groups only become problematic when migrants are involved?

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by effofex)
Three weeks ago I was invited to interview with a company in Amsterdam where all their employees were Dutch (i.e. no foreigners). They seemed pretty welcoming to me, even though I was the only foreigner in the building.

Right, because comparing a group of educated businessmen to uneducated savages is a fair comparison? Do you intend to actually make a point?

[Vortexbubbles]

(Original post by effofex)
Three weeks ago I was invited to interview with a company in Amsterdam where all their employees were Dutch (i.e. no foreigners). They seemed pretty welcoming to me, even though I was the only foreigner in the building.

Same European culture. Not arab, black or asian. That's why europeans mix well, they have similar upbringings, similar religion (protestant, catholic or athiest)

Try having that job interview in bangladesh, iran or sudan. Something tells me they won't even entertain you, probably just because your white.

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by Arturo Bandini)
If you genuinely think there are "no-go" areas for non-muslims then you're either a complete idiot or a massive pussyo. Or a troll. You were here for one day?


source: I've lived here most of my life and I'm non-muslim

Yes, because the result of a situation is decided by you. I note that you left out "intelligent" for some unknown reason.

[Luckypupil]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
I had the pleasure of spending an extended period of time in Tower Hamlets today, and the problem with immigration is far worse than anyone could have ever envisioned. Without even exaggerating, the demographic of the area was slanted heavily in favour of the Muslims - a bad enough issue. This was compounded by the segregation of the Muslim community, creating clear no-go areas for non-Muslims. I would estimate that I saw upwards of 200 women and children wearing the niqab.

How is this multiculturalism? All that has happened is a community has segregated itself and made clear that they want very little to do with the native population. Yet, the liberals profess that immigration is the greatest event in the history of mankind. Have such people failed to ever set foot inside the areas worst affected by immigration? Do they live in a homogeneous society, where they have no interaction with "outsiders", but want to appear progressive?

Have you seen the white underclass recently? The feckless, lazy underbelly of British society dependent on hand outs. They are being pushed out by the more dynamic, hungrier immigrants pushing down costs...

Thankfully the law protects the vulnerable in society from prejudiced minds. Reason without passion. Just because you don't like the look of someone because they happen to wear a hijab doesnt mean you can impose your moral values on them. How is that person harmng you apart from your precious sensibilities. People are permitted to believe that black shouldnt marry white, Catholics should be barred from high office etc etc but what gives you the right to impose your moral values on others?



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[MrFlash1994]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Ah, I was quite concerned that nobody had resorted to such measures. How am I a 'xenophobe' for noticing that people are wearing a niqab? I am of the opinion that garments designed to obstruct people from being able to see you are anti-social and alien to the United Kingdom.

They have segregated themselves. How, after seeing that upwards of 200 women and children were wearing the niqab, have you reached the conclusion that Muslims wish to integrate but are discouraged? I am genuinely interested.

'[A] lot of benefits'? I choose to 'ignore them'? I have simply given an account of what I saw today. Why have you felt the need to distort my post to suit your own agenda?

Also, learn to quote. There is a button to assist.

I wonder If you're as condescending and arrogant in person, whether you try as hard to create an intellectual façade in real life!

You saw some people wearing the niqab, and you're right, it's not from the UK! But so what? Are citizens not allowed to wear what they want? Or what would you have them wear?

When immigrants came to this country, the West Indians in the 50's and 60's and the Middle Eastern ones in the 70's onward, there was a huge amount of racist opposition from "natives" such as yourself, and this culminated in violence and riots etc. Moreover, it was incredibly difficult for these new immigrants to find housing. Property owners would often not lease or sell a house to an immigrant, even if they could pay for it. So communities were formed in areas with cheap housing since they were most accessible to the immigrants. Things aren't perfect in these areas, but I think they're doing the best they can with what they have.

And most importantly it's not just up to the "Muslims" to integrate, YOU and you're fellow natives have to make an effort too. Instead of strolling through Tower Hamlets looking disgustingly at everyone you see. After all the hatred these communities have gone through you still go out of your way to find fault with them.

And you're the one with the bid agenda btw, with all this anti immigrant propaganda you spout. But I suggest that you start writing a column for the Daily Mail, you'll fit right in, and enjoy a more agreeable audience.

[effofex]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Congratulations? How does that refute my points? It doesn't.

You state that 'most [Muslims] in London do not wear religious attire', even though I was there today and you weren't. Fortunately for all on this thread, I go back soon. Let's see how well you do when I have pictorial evidence.

Most Moslems in London do not live in Tower Hamlets. I bet most do not wear religious attire - in the same way that most Christians, Hindus and Jews do not wear religios attire for most of the day.

I was there for over 2 years. I was never prevented from entering the place where I lived. I was never harrassed for consuming alcohol. I was never harrassed for wearing a suit, kurta or shorts. I was never threatened when purchasing coke/spirits in the early hours of morning or when walking back from Canary Wharf at 1.30am to north of East India Dock Road.

[Arturo Bandini]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Yes, because the result of a situation is decided by you. I note that you left out "intelligent" for some unknown reason.

It's okay I realise now that you are the third one.

Carry on.

[effofex]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Right, because comparing a group of educated businessmen to uneducated savages is a fair comparison? Do you intend to actually make a point?

Yes. I do intend to make a point.

Selecting a demographic and then claiming that your entry to a certain London borough would be actively resisted is not a particularly logical thing to do.

What makes you think that they (or I) were all educated businessmen? Some of these guys who wanted to interview me left full-time education at 18.

[effofex]

(Original post by Vortexbubbles)
Same European culture. Not arab, black or asian. That's why europeans mix well, they have similar upbringings, similar religion (protestant, catholic or athiest)

Try having that job interview in bangladesh, iran or sudan. Something tells me they won't even entertain you, probably just because your white.

Europeans have spent the last few centuries beating the **** out of each other. Evidently when you throw religion, politics and resources in the mix they are at each others throats.

I think you have forgotten how viciously European Protestants and European Catholics have behaved towards each other until relatively recently in the history of this Continent.

I have been interviewed by non-white men before. I have never had a problem at all from them. In fact, I have a few Iranian acquantainces over here.

[A Cat]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Ignoring the sarcasm, immigration has never been attempted on this scale. This is not organic immigration. What we are experiencing are the effects of a conscious effort to increase the number of immigrants. There is a huge difference.

So, yeah, this is totally new. Well done on seeing that.

This is interesting. Please tell me, why do you think Muslim immigrants are bad, and why is a forced immigration policy bad? How would it be done and what is the endgame/objective/reasons for forced immigration?

[Vortexbubbles]

(Original post by effofex)
Most Moslems in London do not live in Tower Hamlets. I bet most do not wear religious attire - in the same way that most Christians, Hindus and Jews do not wear religios attire for most of the day.

I was there for over 2 years. I was never prevented from entering the place where I lived. I was never harrassed for consuming alcohol. I was never harrassed for wearing a suit, kurta or shorts. I was never threatened when purchasing coke/spirits in the early hours of morning or when walking back from Canary Wharf at 1.30am to north of East India Dock Road.

It depends on the muslims background. Different muslim countries have different laws, some have sharia law and others have "mild" democracy. Some have polygamy and others have traditiona one man one wife marriage.

For instance Turkey is mostly muslim. However they drink, smoke and have less care for traditional muslim garb. It's a very "vague" form of islam that they practice there. Even though other countries and from what i have heard, the koran forbid the consumption of alcohol.

[Vortexbubbles]

(Original post by effofex)
Europeans have spent the last few centuries beating the **** out of each other. Evidently when you throw religion, politics and resources in the mix they are at each others throats.

I think you have forgotten how viciously European Protestants and European Catholics have behaved towards each other until relatively recently in the history of this Continent.

I have been interviewed by non-white men before. I have never had a problem at all from them. In fact, I have a few Iranian acquantainces over here.

I said go over to their country not here. You would find a different perception over there as to who they want to hire. I am fully aware of the wars between both European Protestants and European Catholics. The ireland conflict is over the protestants invading what was once catholic only land. It's a religious thing, they see them as invaders to a place that was mostly catholic at one point.

[tufc]

(Original post by effofex)
Aren't there over 100 nationalities represented in Canary Wharf?

Are you talking about people who work there or people who live there.

[effofex]

(Original post by Vortexbubbles)
It depends on the muslims background. Different muslim countries have different laws, some have sharia law and others have "mild" democracy. Some have polygamy and others have traditiona one man one wife marriage.

For instance Turkey is mostly muslim. However they drink, smoke and have less care for traditional muslim garb. It's a very "vague" form of islam that they practice there. Even though other countries and from what i have heard, the koran forbid the consumption of alcohol.

They may forbid the consumption of alcohol - but that applies to themselves. They do not forbid non-Moslems from consuming it. In fact, in Tower Hamlets - mainly owners of conveniences stores could be of Moslem religion. It is in their financial interests for more non-Moslems to consume more alcohol from their establishments, thus boosting their sales.