[desdemonata]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
Maybe you should find out?

I don't have children, nor am I ever responsible for any. If I started babysitting, or when/if I have children of my own, I'd ask my GP

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by Suzanathema)
Ha! You've summed it up perfectly and I'm afraid I have started to realise that I am not responding to rational adults any more.


What kind of monster would consider giving MEDICINE to a CHILD?!

The horror!

If you don't think there are ethical issues involved in medicating children, then you're an idiot.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by desdemonata)
I don't have children, nor am I ever responsible for any. If I started babysitting, or when/if I have children of my own, I'd ask my GP

In the meantime you'll continue to opine on stuff on the net that you know nothing about. I guess its what Tim invented it for!

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Suzanathema)
I know. Unfortunately she had to on that occasion, and the flight staff couldn't have known when they took off that she'd be like that.

That's the point though - my mum used to tell her 'try and get some sleep instead' but she got herself too worked up and anxious. If she could take a tiny dose of a sleeping tablet, it would save everyone a lot of grief, especially herself.

Whilst your parents had every right to say that your sibling should or could take the sleeping tablet, you are trying to say that all children must take a sleeping tablet. You have no right to dictate that another's child must take something despite health concerns. Especially simply because the child MAY cry or be annoying on a flight.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Suzanathema)
Ha! You've summed it up perfectly and I'm afraid I have started to realise that I am not responding to rational adults any more.


What kind of monster would consider giving MEDICINE to a CHILD?!

The horror!

I have been perfectly logical and rational. You're arguments are weak at best, and should really only be seen as a last resort.

[desdemonata]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
In the meantime you'll continue to opine on stuff on the net that you know nothing about. I guess its what Tim invented it for!

I admitted my ignorance on the specific subject of giving children sleeping medication. I let those of you informed on such matters debate about it, I didn't actually involve myself. -sigh- there's no need to be rude.

[Ra Ra Ra]

In my experience, most children are usually fine on planes. There are usually a few that get annoying, but their parents are more often than not able to calm them down and get their attention diverted elsewhere. I actually get more irritated with the large groups of teenagers usually seen on Easyjet flights to Spain, especially when they all decide to stop on the stairs up to the plane to take numerous photos of themselves, or sing Vindaloo when the plane starts to descend.

That said, the longest flight I've been on was four hours. I imagine the longer the flight, the more bored and more irritating the children would become.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by desdemonata)
I admitted my ignorance on the specific subject of giving children sleeping medication. I let those of you informed on such matters debate about it, I didn't actually involve myself. -sigh- there's no need to be rude.

You didn't involve yourself by posting about it. Errrr....Ok.

[desdemonata]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
You didn't involve yourself by posting about it. Errrr....Ok.

My first post was quoting Suzanathema saying that I wouldn't fly if I knew a young child was going to be distressed flying (thus avoid the whole issue of a child taking medication), I didn't actually say anything about medication. In her reply, she raised the subject, and I replied to her, naturally adressing what she had directed at me, and even then I admitted that I didn't know anything.

And then you quoted me saying I should find out, and when I explained that I don't really have any need to find out right now (being 17 and all, most people my age should surely be finding out about birth control, and not whether or not they should medicate kids...), you decide to carry on being patronising.

what is your issue with my posts?

[Kibalchich]

So despite not knowing anything about the subject, you "don't really object" to kids being given sleeping tablets? I see. Why comment at all? This is a debating forum, if you comment, you invite replies.

[desdemonata]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
So despite not knowing anything about the subject, you "don't really object" to kids being given sleeping tablets? I see. Why comment at all? This is a debating forum, if you comment, you invite replies.

If this thread had started off about the specific subject of whether or not it's acceptable to medicate kids on planes so that they don't disturb other passengers, I probably wouldn't have bothered posting, no. As it was, this thread was about annoying children on planes...

Did you deliberately miss my point? I only said anything about sleeping tablets because Suzanathema raised the subject in a direct reply to me. If this thread was all about medicating children, fine patronise me for talking about a subject I know nothing about, but as it is, this issue is only part of the discusson on this thread and I didn't involve myself in the debate of whether or not it is ethical to medicate children. I tried to avoid discussing this as I know nothing about it

I don't really object because frankly I doubt it's as terrible as what you're making out. However as I said previously I would research further on the subject if it ever actually became relevant to my circumstances, and obviously if I discovered there were legitimate issues I wouldn't medicate my children or any children I was looking after.

[rockrunride]

Please cut the "you said this, she said that" and petty insults. Debate has been healthy up to now

Please note that anything off-topic will be binned.

[zeropoint]

Music and headphones usually get me through long train/plain journeys.

One trick I have found works about half the time is if you have line of sight to the child, give them the coldest, angriest glare you can, and when/if they lock eyes with you, raise a finger to your mouth. Many children know they needn't fear their parents, they don't know that about you.

If I become a parent, and if I have to travel with said child, my plan will hopefully be to sleep deprive the child slightly before hand, such that they sleep for most of the journey.

[TenOfThem]

(Original post by zeropoint)
If I become a parent, and if I have to travel with said child, my plan will hopefully be to sleep deprive the child slightly before hand, such that they sleep for most of the journey.

When you have children you will quickly realise that a sleep deprived child is not a pleasant experience

[zeropoint]

(Original post by TenOfThem)
When you have children you will quickly realise that a sleep deprived child is not a pleasant experience

I expect you're right, and I am certainly not looking forward to it. However if its a choice of an unpleasant child in my home/airport, or an unpleasant child in a plane, I'd like to think the pay-off would be worth the investment.

That said, I'm no father. I have no idea how obnoxious children can get if they're really trying. <joke> Codeine is a good alternative </joke>

[AlmostChicGeek]

(Original post by c.anez)
False from my experience.

True from mine

[AlmostChicGeek]

(Original post by Suzanathema)
What if their parents aren't on the plane?


My sister used to scream her head off but as an Unaccompanied Minor, there was nothing anybody could do. On one flight, the entire plane became understaffed when one flight steward had to spend the entire flight sitting next to her and showing her pictures of his cats from his wallet to calm her down.

Clearly it is a known thing that your sister doesn't do well on planes, so that is your parents fault for not 'drugging her up' as you would have everyone else do.

Just because you have had a particular set of experiences with your sister on a plane doesn't mean that all children should be forced to be sedated. I have never caused trouble on a plane and I have been flying since I was three, nor has my younger brother who was a terror when he was younger.

[Kiss]

Well I just spent 12 hours from Lima to Madrid next to a non stop crying machine and 3 hours from Madrid to London to another one who wouldn't stfu saying 'What time is it???'. I just pray the flight tomorrow is child free.

[PinkMobilePhone]

(Original post by zeropoint)
If I become a parent, and if I have to travel with said child, my plan will hopefully be to sleep deprive the child slightly before hand, such that they sleep for most of the journey.

lol good luck with that. I can assure you that a sleep deprived child is far far worse than a non sleep deprived child.

Overtired children whine, cry, and are overly clingy.

http://voices.yahoo.com/3-signs-chil...ep-635811.html

An over tired child can test even the most well grounded parent

http://parentingbabytosleep.blogspot...red-child.html

babies who become overtired often have difficulty "switching off."

Babies who are overtired often cry, fuss and are hard to quiet

when overtired, an infant between the ages of three to 12 months can become very clingy. Baby Care Advice reports that babies experiencing this clinginess may want you to hold them and will not allow you to lay them down to sleep. As the baby becomes increasingly tired, she may cry and even begin screaming as she clings to you.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/21...#ixzz22WwBPuFS



Basically - don't make the mistake of thinking that a sleep deprived child will fall asleep on the plane. You'll more than likely end up with a hyperactive, very grumpy, very clingy, very bad tempered child that will not go to sleep even slightly, but will persist in being just about the worst flight passenger ever.


My advice would be to make sure that children have a good sleep before going on a long trip.
Pack snacks (unless provided by the airline), and activities for the journey - for our last flight we took magazines, puzzle books, and little blackboards with chalk - this time round my eldest will be taking her PSP, my middle kid will be taking his nintendo ds, and the little one can will be taking books, colours, and paper.
Be prepared to do a lot of entertaining on the flight - point out shapes in the clouds, with older kids talk about where you are flying over, make up stories, play eye spy, and generally unless you end up with a child with ADHD you should make it though the flight with minimal disruption aside from fairly frequent requests for the toilet, which obviously can't be helped.

That being said, I would never take my kids long-haul. We've only ever been as far as Spain with them. I'd reserve long haul flights for kids over the age of 10 I think!

[zeropoint]

(Original post by PinkMobilePhone)
lol good luck with that. I can assure you that a sleep deprived child is far far worse than a non sleep deprived child.



http://voices.yahoo.com/3-signs-chil...ep-635811.html



http://parentingbabytosleep.blogspot...red-child.html





http://www.livestrong.com/article/21...#ixzz22WwBPuFS



Basically - don't make the mistake of thinking that a sleep deprived child will fall asleep on the plane. You'll more than likely end up with a hyperactive, very grumpy, very clingy, very bad tempered child that will not go to sleep even slightly, but will persist in being just about the worst flight passenger ever.


My advice would be to make sure that children have a good sleep before going on a long trip.
Pack snacks (unless provided by the airline), and activities for the journey - for our last flight we took magazines, puzzle books, and little blackboards with chalk - this time round my eldest will be taking her PSP, my middle kid will be taking his nintendo ds, and the little one can will be taking books, colours, and paper.
Be prepared to do a lot of entertaining on the flight - point out shapes in the clouds, with older kids talk about where you are flying over, make up stories, play eye spy, and generally unless you end up with a child with ADHD you should make it though the flight with minimal disruption aside from fairly frequent requests for the toilet, which obviously can't be helped.

That being said, I would never take my kids long-haul. We've only ever been as far as Spain with them. I'd reserve long haul flights for kids over the age of 10 I think!

Oh right, fair enough. I think I might join you and simply avoid taking children long haul.