[OU Student]

(Original post by daisydaffodil)
Disabled adults can create as just as much noise if not more than young children, so that could cause issues.. - you'd have to then start segregating mentally disabled individuals as well..

Talk about judgemental. We're not all like that. In fact, very few are like this. We can't control our behaviour. I'm sure a 7 year old can.

[BO'H]

(Original post by calikesindobabes)
lol.. Society is too PC. Where does this notion that we must put up with negative things stem from? Aren't people who cite this ideal just bitter and downtrodden people, who wish negativity on all others? Do you go out of your way to annoy others? If not, then why do you condone these actions in others?

lol at the idea that someone who can scrape together the price of an economy class ticket should be able to dictate to everyone else on the plane how they behave. you put up with other people's children because you can't afford not to. if you don't like it stay home.

[barnetlad]

I am surprised that Ryanair haven't introduced adult only flights, with another surcharge of course.

[Herbadacious]

There's a family of four (two boys, 5 and 8 years old, and their parents) currently camping in our garden (my mother met them on a forum). The boys are incredibly loud, and are currently rambunctiously watching Doctor Who, and re-enacting the Olympic opening ceremony with my sister's rubber duck collection. It doesn't help that there's a piano in the room. They're nice kids, but they're always hyper, and incredibly loud.

They've largely put me off having children, as although I know they can't help it, I would find it horrible to have to deal with this 24/7, and from that point of view, I can somewhat understand parents not doing much to calm their children on aeroplanes- either they're too used to it to care, or know that any effort will be wasted.

From the kids' point of view, it may be quite hard to calm down, particularly when somewhere like an aeroplane, as going on holiday is pretty exciting - they might not realise that other people are going for business trips, or just want to sleep, or are going home, instead of somewhere exciting.

On the other hand, I've only flown once

[daisydaffodil]

(Original post by OU Student)
Talk about judgemental. We're not all like that. In fact, very few are like this. We can't control our behaviour. I'm sure a 7 year old can.

Wasn't being judgemental quite the opposite, was thinking of my sister (and her various schoolmates) who's severely autistic (mentally disabled) and who is, to quite a large extent, unable to control her behaviour - which is why I said it, she's the type of person who wouldn't fit neatly into either category, she's an adult but with all the mentality of a wee girl .. which is where difficulties come in as where would you seat people like her?

[g_star_raw_1989]

(Original post by Kiss)


Did you get it back??

No. I let him play on it whilst I went to sleep and never saw the Gameboy or the Danish boy again.

[for_healing_only]

I travel a lot and I cannot count the number of times children have acted up. What I find really annoyign though is that if you mention something to the stewardess or the parent either nothing gets done or the parent plays the martyr.

The most recent example was on a flight back to the UK (7 1/2 hours), this one kid was running wild and no one was saying anything. I brought up the subject with the parents and the Mum just told me tough luck as it was not bothering her and went back to reading (stupid fat cow, we all know what 50 shades of gray is, why read it in public????).

So I went back to my seat (one row back and on the isle) and cranked up the volume on the TV. The next thing I know the kid is stradling the isles and walking on the arms rests up and down (kid was around 5/6). We hit some turbulance and the kid smashes down onto the floor and instantly super mum lumbered up and started screeching about how it was the airlines fault and that the staff were not doing there job properely.

Seriously hate children on planes ...... When i travel for work I always go business class now but for personal flights I am stuck in economy I would gladly pay twice the fare for a child free flight

[Clare~Bear]

A baby screaming all through a 10 hour flight. Who takes a baby on a ten hour flight!

If I have kids I'm not taking them far on holiday when they're little - it's too much hastle. My mum would happily babysit for a few days. But I do appreciate that not everyone has family that could look after a baby/ toddler for a week/ 2 weeks.

[Kiss]

(Original post by aWildPidgey)
I read that as Pissing on Everyone

?????

(Original post by BO'H)
i think get over yourself or earn enough to fly business

I think you should volunteer at a nursery for a week and then come back and tell me to simply ´get over myself´.

(Original post by Junaid96)
Even with your iPod? Just how loud are these kids? I mow the lawn with my iPod and can't tell if the mower is on or not!

Well I have had it a long time but the earphones were a bit screwed. Even then though I still think if it was in pristine condition I´d still be able to hear them.

[Kiss]

(Original post by g_star_raw_1989)
No. I let him play on it whilst I went to sleep and never saw the Gameboy or the Danish boy again.

What a douchebag.

[Annie72]

We've taken our children on planes loads of times and I can honestly say they have never played up on any of them.The longest of those flights was 5 hours when we went to Rhodes.My 2 spend most of the time looking out of the window.

[moonkatt]

I presume every person posting on this thread stayed in the country then until they were of adult age?

[megan.c]

(Original post by sarahoo)
Anyway, I hate being on planes with children. There is very little reason, in my mind, you should be flying with a baby, or even a toddler, and kids above toddler age should be well raised or verbally reprimanded and made to mind on a plane, but parents these days have no idea how to raise children, are way too lenient, and also many seem to feel like they're blessed with the most amazing and special children on the planet who should be allowed to do whatever they want at any time, and everyone else be damned, so basically, yeah, planes need a special section for kids, and hopefully it will be soundproofed.

My cousin lives in the south of France and has two children (adorable and well behaved) under the age of four. If she didn't fly with them she'd face 3 day car journeys (each way) just to see family back in England!
You shouldn't be so presumptuous that all parents will let their children run crazy, most of the time it is a small minority who then give all other families with a children a bad name.

[BlueSparkleDust]

I have only flew on a plane twice but I had small children on the flight and I am no good with kids but these flights were a positive experience. But I still dread my next flight, who knows what the kid on the next plane might be like

[Holz888]

Kids have to get places as much as their parents. And remember that (particularly for young children, not the spoilt 7 year old who keeps kicking the seat in front), planes are a scary and strange experience. With all the pressure changes and strange noises, I can imagine it would be horrible for those who don't know better. I've been there though, and I know what you're saying. There was a baby crying for what seemed like an entire 9 1/2 hour flight once, and I seriously wanted to kill all living children. You can't blame the parents if it's a baby, but yeah, they should control older kids who are just playing up because they haven't had enough discipline.

[Ice Constricter]

(Original post by NellyNoodles)
I think the main problem is boredom. It's hard enough getting young children to stay still and quiet for an hour let alone 10. The worst flight I've been on was a 6 hour one and there was no film, no music, nothing. Children were a NIGHTMARE. Parents may get them a colouring book or whatever but most children have an attention span of like, 15 minutes at the most. However, the best flight I have been on was a Virgin Atlantic one for 8 hours. Every seat had their own TV with loads of different channels. There was a childrens channel with loads of cartoons and films for different ages. The only noise there was from little children then was when they were talking with Dora the Explorer which was more cute than annoying!

So, I don't think it's so much the parents fault for not teaching them to be quiet or not keeping them amused. I think the airline could do more to amuse passengers.

I thought that was normal?

Ironically the best flight I've been on was also with Virgin Atlantic and had everything you described except each passenger also had 10 different video games they could have played on.

[Ice Constricter]

(Original post by moonkatt)
I presume every person posting on this thread stayed in the country then until they were of adult age?

Didn't it cross your mind that maybe, just maybe the first time they went on a plane was when they were no longer a small child?

[xoxAngel_Kxox]

Worst experience for me was a night flight from NYC to Manchester. There were twin boys behind me who must have been about five. They were screaming for the first hour, and their Mum eventually YELLED at them which was awkward to say the least. After that, one of them started kicking the back of my seat, I was trying to sleep, and I thought he'd get bored. Half an hour later, still kicking so I turned round and politely asked their parents could they possibly ask their child to stop. Their answer was "they don't listen to parents at that age". I was gobsmacked, as I kind of thought that if a child had been brought up properly they'd know to listen to Mum and Dad by school age!

I do think that there should be a family cabin. It's not so bad if it's just a couple of hours to Europe, but on a long haul flight it's just horrible. I hate flying anyway, and any added stress just makes me want to cry.

[sarahoo]

(Original post by megan.c)
My cousin lives in the south of France and has two children (adorable and well behaved) under the age of four. If she didn't fly with them she'd face 3 day car journeys (each way) just to see family back in England!
You shouldn't be so presumptuous that all parents will let their children run crazy, most of the time it is a small minority who then give all other families with a children a bad name.

Did I anywhere say that all parents let their children run crazy? Also three and four year old children are not toddlers. You didn't seem to read anything at all I said?

[megan.c]

(Original post by sarahoo)
I love how people keep saying parents aren't responsible for a kid's actions and there is little they can do while on a plane to calm a child, but honestly, if a kid is 2+, it would be well behaved if it was raised to be. A coddled, spoiled child that knows it can throw fits and get whatever it wants will yes, scream until it gets whatever it wants, which may not be accessible on a plane, but that doesn't mean it's not the parent's fault for raising the child badly. A well-raised child also doesn't need to be physically reprimanded to act well--patience and reason go a long way when they are continually used around children.

Anyway, I hate being on planes with children. There is very little reason, in my mind, you should be flying with a baby, or even a toddler, and kids above toddler age should be well raised or verbally reprimanded and made to mind on a plane, but parents these days have no idea how to raise children, are way too lenient, and also many seem to feel like they're blessed with the most amazing and special children on the planet who should be allowed to do whatever they want at any time, and everyone else be damned, so basically, yeah, planes need a special section for kids, and hopefully it will be soundproofed.

(Original post by sarahoo)
Did I anywhere say that all parents let their children run crazy? Also three and four year old children are not toddlers. You didn't seem to read anything at all I said?

The bits I have emboldened say to me "This is how most parents act"
The first bold bit literally just says that parents in general don't raise children correctly, not 'some' or even 'many' parents.

And I said below the age of four as the eldest one is coming up to four - the youngest is nearly two.

I did read what you wrote, you just didn't phrase it well and it came across to me as 'children will behave well if they are brought up well, but no one does so they don't'.