[UglyBarbie]

the 16 year old swam faster than US champion Ryan Lochte. she broke the world record by more than a second, and she beat her personal best by 5 seconds in the women's 400m for swimming.

do you think it was something that it enhanced her performance? considering China has cheated in the past in the Olympics.... or do you think it's just the impossible became possible!

opinions?


Edit: she also broke the women's world record in the 200m race.

[Clare~Bear]

I think it's sad that anyone that does well is automatically accused of cheating.

BUT . . . looking at the stats, it is a possibility IMO.

It happened with the Germans a few years ago. They always did really well in the swimming and were built a lot bigger than their competitors. A few years later, a top secret training programme was found including what athletes had been given what drugs.

But these days, the drugs tests are so accurate and reliable that you're stupid to try.

[Mockery]

Didn't she swim only the last 100m, not all 400, faster than Lochte? And it'd be pretty silly to cheat, since ALL the medalists have to do compulsary drugs tests.



Edit: Sorry, it was the last 50m which she swam faster than Lochte.

Extremely unsure about the fairness of these negative reps.. Cheers though.

[Krish4791]

When she go faster than Ryan Lochte? Lochte did 4:05ish whilst she got 4:28 - even her final 100m front crawl lengths were slightly slower; Lochte did it in 58.65secs whilst she did it in 58.68.

[Mac.]

Its sad if she is clean and she's had these accusations. Honestly though more often than not it seems like the real out of the out of the blue athletes have something in their system...

5 seconds is a lot in a sport measured in hundredths of a second.


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[Dagnabbit]

While 5 seconds is a lot, Rice shaved 6 seconds off her personal best during trials according to this

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/olym...731-23b6j.html

[UglyBarbie]

(Original post by Krish4791)
When she go faster than Ryan Lochte? Lochte did 4:05ish whilst she got 4:28 - even her final 100m front crawl lengths were slightly slower; Lochte did it in 58.65secs whilst she did it in 58.68.

this happened on saturday. if you type in google and click on 'news' you'll find a lot of things about it

[UglyBarbie]

I have even seen people saying on different forums/youtube that she could even be a boy performing as a girl, that's why she could swim so fast or something

[Krish4791]

(Original post by UglyBarbie)
I have even seen people saying on different forums/youtube that she could even be a boy performing as a girl, that's why she could swim so fast or something

I think it was legal and all that - maybe it was just one of those freak performances, sort of like the Nadal vs Rosol tennis match at Wimbledon this year?

[Dagnabbit]

(Original post by UglyBarbie)
I have even seen people saying on different forums/youtube that she could even be a boy performing as a girl, that's why she could swim so fast or something

So this is much like the Caster Semenya incident?

Or, alternatively, are you saying she was fully aware of being male (see Renée Richards)?

[notnek]

She swam the final 50m in 28.93 compared with 29.1 for Lochte in his 400 medley race.

But the female world record is 23.73 for 50m freestyle so when you compare it with that, it doesn't seem that special. And the male world record for the medley is around 25 seconds faster than what Ye Shiwen managed. Is it right to compare her final 50m with Lochte's? Because this is what the media is doing.

You may be able to tell that I know very little about swimming. Maybe someone who knows more can help me here?

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by UglyBarbie)
the 16 year old swam faster than US champion Ryan Lochte. she broke the world record by more than a second, and she beat her personal best by 5 seconds in the women's 400m for swimming.

do you think it was something that it enhanced her performance? considering China has cheated in the past in the Olympics.... or do you think it's just the impossible became possible!

opinions?


Edit: she also broke the women's world record in the 200m race.

she's 16 and did that? Girl is on steroids or something

Let's see what the results say - personally I wouldn't be surprised if she cheated because what she did was INSANE!

[Serano]

What's the point in speculating? Innocent until proven guilty.

[DH-Biker]

The tests for Athletes are very thorough, compulsory blood, urine, hair and saliva samples were taken on the Athletes upon their arrival into the Olympic Village. I believe they're also going to be checked this weekend and the weekend after, too. As far as I'm aware, there are no performance enhancing drugs which will stay hidden with the amount of tests their doing and trace elements last over a week so they're checking at the weekends as it'll hit almost the entire timeline of the Olympics. They'll almost certainly test them before they leave, too, in order to ensure the last couple of days weren't cheated upon.

To be fair to Shiwen, the girl has significant talent and it isn't uncommon for a favourite to not win, someone who has all the stats to suggest they'll win, not win and someone who shouldn't really have won, to have done so. Shiwen was by far and away not one of the ones not expected to win and even though her and Lochte didn't race at the same event, look at what happened to Lochte in the four-hundred meter relay; by his stats, he should've wiped the floor with the Frenchmen, doubly so with the lead he had, but the Frenchman flicked a switch inside him somewhere and destroyed that last fifty meters.

Shiwen did exactly the same thing, she couldn't, wouldn't and didn't cheat. If she/her coaches have found a way to introduce performance enhancing drugs to her body that will slip under the radar of the compulsory tests, I'll eat my words but I would say it was a practical certainty she's had a legitimate race and either been very lucky, utilised her talent exceptionally well or the others weren't racing as well.

[UglyBarbie]

(Original post by Dagnabbit)
So this is much like the Caster Semenya incident?

Or, alternatively, are you saying she was fully aware of being male (see Renée Richards)?

that wasn't my official opinion about her. I just saw other comments that accused her of being a man instead of a woman.

[Fires]

(Original post by Mockery)
Didn't she swim only the last 100m, not all 400, faster than Lochte? And it'd be pretty silly to cheat, since ALL the medalists have to do compulsary drugs tests.



Edit: Sorry, it was the last 50m which she swam faster than Lochte.

The sad truth is that there is a constant battle between the designer drug makers and the testers; current testing only tests those drugs that are known - the smart people in places like China are always looking for new, untestable ones. My money is on her taking a new pharma product of some kind. China is like East Germany used to be - national pride and state control combine to place all kinds of absurd pressures on the athletes, including pressure to take substances. They are just smarter than the testers basically.

[UglyBarbie]

"China won 12 of the 16 women's titles at the 1994 world championships in Rome but these achievements were sullied less than a month later when seven Chinese swimmers tested positive for banned drugs at the Asian Games in Hiroshima.

At the 1998 world championships in Perth, four Chinese competitors were sent home after testing positive for steroids. It came a week after one of their team mates and her coach were caught smuggling human growth hormone at Sydney Airport.

China's top backstroke swimmer and record holder Ouyang Kunpeng, now 29, was given a lifetime ban after he tested positive for the same substance a month before the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The ban was later changed to two years.

In 2009, five junior Chinese swimmers were banned for two years by the country's swimming association after they tested positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol - a performance-enhancing drug.

And in June Chinese state media said 16-year-old Li Zhesi, part of the country’s winning team at the 2009 World Championships, had tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, EPO, which boosts the body’s oxygen supplies."

[FluxD]

You can run cycles of steroids and PHers and have them out of your system within a week. The half life of test cyp is 3 days.

[Scoobiedoobiedo]

She very may well of just had an amazing legit race, although the whole situation is pretty suspicious to say the least. A 16 year old girl out of no where just breaks her own record by 5 seconds, the world record by a second and is faster in the final 50m than the fastest man. That on it's own is somewhat suspicious, when you add it to the fact that it's China, a country that will do pretty much anything to win, with a long record of doping, it gets a lot more suspicious.

Like people have said though, she would be stupid to cheat...if you're going to get caught.. however not every substance in the world is detectable, so perhaps that logic doesn't apply.

It really wouldn't be surprising if there is some secret Chinese government sponsored PED research lab, specifically for the Olympics. Would be China through and through.

[ebam_uk]

It's more likely that the drugs being used cant be found in a test.., but then loads of cheaters might be out there in theory!!


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