[Malevolent]

Its sort of one of those situations where its against the spirit of the game but its hardly illegal. Like in football deliberately getting suspended before the next round of games like Ramos and Alonso did. Its bad but their okay to do it since its within the rules of the game. Clever manipulation of the rules i guess?

[wenger16]

there were a lot of people there to watch and it was a bit of disgrace how they made absolutely no effort to play badminton.

[Malevolent]

(Original post by wenger16)
there were a lot of people there to watch and it was a bit of disgrace how they made absolutely no effort to play badminton.

This sounds like i support it but i dont i think its extremely wrong thing to do but their not here to make the crowd and other people happy the only people their there for is themselves and their partner.

[Zyyz]

(Original post by wenger16)
there were a lot of people there to watch and it was a bit of disgrace how they made absolutely no effort to play badminton.

But first and foremost it is a competitive sport, the aim is to win the tournament and to do so they went for gamesmanship.

I think it's totally unfair to disqualify the athletes for this, it's not their fault the crowd had paid money to see them. It wasn't against the rules.

The only reason they got disqualified is because it's awkward for the organizers charging good money to see something and the crown being disappointed.

Very harsh.

[Chief Wiggum]

(Original post by Zyyz)
But first and foremost it is a competitive sport, the aim is to win the tournament and to do so they went for gamesmanship.

I think it's totally unfair to disqualify the athletes for this, it's not their fault the crowd had paid money to see them. It wasn't against the rules.

The only reason they got disqualified is because it's awkward for the organizers charging good money to see something and the crown being disappointed.

Very harsh.

Is there definitely no rule in badminton about having to give your best effort to win the match?

[Zyyz]

(Original post by Chief Wiggum)
Is there definitely no rule in badminton about having to give your best effort to win the match?

I'm not sure, is there?

Because you always see sprinters slow down through the qualifying rounds

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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
highly morally wrong, and unfair on the crowds..

Why is it morally wrong?

[Chief Wiggum]

(Original post by Zyyz)
I'm not sure, is there?

Because you always see sprinters slow down through the qualifying rounds

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19072677

(Original post by BBC)
Eight badminton players have been disqualified from the women's doubles competition after being accused of "not using one's best efforts to win".

I assumed there must be some rule about having to use your best efforts to win. There's a rule like that in tennis, but it's rarely called upon. It would only be used in extreme cases like this where it's obvious they weren't trying to win the match.

[Dagnabbit]

(Original post by Chief Wiggum)
Is there not some rule about having to give your best effort to win a match?

I know there's a rule like that in tennis, but I don't really know anything about badminton so I don't know if it exists there as well.

(Original post by Dr00n)
Disqualification came as a result of crowd pressures and is ridiculous... They technically did nothing against the rules, however unsportsmanlike it was, they simply cleverly exploited a flawed tournament design

(Original post by fallen_acorns)
tricky situation... - if you view the whole event as one big game.. then they did nothing wrong - just the same as a sprinter holding back, staying in second untill near the end, then taking the lead... - the sprinter is staying in second on purpouse, as its the best way to get to the gold overall - similar thing overal with the badminton...

though it is still highly morally wrong, and unfair on the crowds...

cant help think that disqualification is a bit harsh, as they didnt break the rules - just were a bit of a douche..

(Original post by johnharris19944)
Its sort of one of those situations where its against the spirit of the game but its hardly illegal. Like in football deliberately getting suspended before the next round of games like Ramos and Alonso did. Its bad but their okay to do it since its within the rules of the game. Clever manipulation of the rules i guess?

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=364321&tid=1

See 4.5 and 4.16 of the code of conduct

[TheWorldEndsWithMe]

(Original post by Chief Wiggum)
Is there definitely no rule in badminton about having to give your best effort to win the match?

I'm almost certain that there is a rule to that effect.
Two, in essence. I think it's 'you must always use yor best efforts to win' and then 'you must not conduct yourself in a way that is detrimental to the sport'.
I'm not sure if they're two separate rules or not, but that's the gist(jist?) of them.


Apparently a Japanese pair got accused by an Indian pair too. :/

[The Troll Toll]

100% the organisers' fault and nobody else's.

[MrFlash1994]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Bushnell

In the 1948 Olympics two British rowers did the exact same thing and ended up winning the Gold medal. They deliberately lost to France in the first race to avoid racing the Danish favourites. They were treated as heroes, regardless of this. There was even a documentary made on them recently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00q4vrs

But when foreigners use the same tactical move, they are criticised and disqualified. Absolute hypocrisy.

If anything's to blame its the round robin system as others have mentioned.

[Dagnabbit]

(Original post by TheWorldEndsWithMe)
I'm almost certain that there is a rule to that effect.
Two, in essence. I think it's 'you must always use yor best efforts to win' and then 'you must not conduct yourself in a way that is detrimental to the sport'.
I'm not sure if they're two separate rules or not, but that's the gist(jist?) of them.

http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_dow...d=364321&tid=1

You are 100% correct

[FunkeyMunkey]

I don't get it, why were they trying to lose? I know it helps them get to the final or something, but why?

[wenger16]

(Original post by johnharris19944)
This sounds like i support it but i dont i think its extremely wrong thing to do but their not here to make the crowd and other people happy the only people their there for is themselves and their partner.

(Original post by Zyyz)
But first and foremost it is a competitive sport, the aim is to win the tournament and to do so they went for gamesmanship.

I think it's totally unfair to disqualify the athletes for this, it's not their fault the crowd had paid money to see them. It wasn't against the rules.

The only reason they got disqualified is because it's awkward for the organizers charging good money to see something and the crown being disappointed.

Very harsh.

Go back and watch the match (if you can sit through it that is) ; the pairs made absolutely no effort. If you are going to throw the match at least do it subtly!!!! as in make an effort but don't play to your best. But this was beyond belief, it left such a bad taste in the mouth, they just hit the shuttle cock wide or into the net.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY THAT IS NOT SPORT! The olympics commitee even has a clause saying i way always display sportsmanship and play in the nature of competitiveness. I would have been happier if a rematch had been called and they had been forced to replay but DQ is also good decision.

Badminton has a very low key reputation in most of the world now due to this all people are going is this farce.

[Dagnabbit]

(Original post by FunkeyMunkey)
I don't get it, why were they trying to lose? I know it helps them get to the final or something, but why?

Basically, if they won they would have had to play tougher opponents in the quarter finals. It had nothing to do with conserving energy

[Chief Wiggum]

(Original post by crocker710)
Whilst it goes against the spirit of the game I don't think they should be disqualified. They have a right to play as they wish, as long as they weren't throwing the game for personal financial gain (bets / bribes), if it's within their best interest to lose that game then it's their prerogative to do so, because A) they've earned a place in the olympics and B) they've won enough games to qualify for the knockout rounds regardless of the score in the games thrown.

Well, the rules do say: "4.5 Failure to use best efforts
Not using one’s best efforts to win a match."

[Casshern1456]

The IOC are trying to cover their own arses, they messes up with the Olympic rules and now the World Champions China, Indonsia, and S.Korea badminton team have to pay the price of their mistake. This event was just waiting to happen, the IOC will obviously try to push the blame onto the teams but it's silly really disqualifying the teams. Shame on you IOC for messing with the rule books.

[Casshern1456]

(Original post by FunkeyMunkey)
I don't get it, why were they trying to lose? I know it helps them get to the final or something, but why?

Say, if China had won their game with Indonesia they will face the second seeded Chinese team, but they don't want to do that instead facing them in the Finals so China definitely gets Gold and Silver.

Similarly, S. Korea try to lose to avoid the Chinese teams.

[theoferdinand]

(Original post by crocker710)
Whilst it goes against the spirit of the game I don't think they should be disqualified. They have a right to play as they wish, as long as they weren't throwing the game for personal financial gain (bets / bribes), if it's within their best interest to lose that game then it's their prerogative to do so, because A) they've earned a place in the olympics and B) they've won enough games to qualify for the knockout rounds regardless of the score in the games thrown.

This is infact wrong btw . They do not have the right to play how they wish , there is a rule against it which i cant be bothered to look up at the mo but thats why they got banned