What action should be taken over Syria?
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View Poll Results: What action (ideally) should be taken over Syria?
No action - it is up to the people not foreigners 22 47.83% creation of a new independent state (2 state solution) 2 4.35% creation of buffer zones where civilians can find refuge 3 6.52% No fly zone -only to attack air targets 1 2.17% No fly zone - attacking both air and ground targets 3 6.52% trade embargo - like with apartheid 1 2.17% Direct military intervention to remove Assad and set up democratic state (Very unlikely) 3 6.52% Direct military intervention to remove rebels 1 2.17% Arm rebels 3 6.52% Arm Assad 2 4.35% Assasinate Assad + loyal followers 1 2.17% Other - please state.... 2 4.35% No action + remove sanctions 2 4.35%
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?Feel free to neg me to hell and back for this but i feel none...
It isnt our fight, what business is it of ours to involve ourselves in yet another costly foreign war which will inevitably just come back to bite us in the ass like the ones before? We arent a super power whos word is infalible within international politics anymore it is none of our business to force regime change, how would we like it if somebody like say China or whoever decided they didnt like Mr Cameron and started bombing us to holy hell and back...? -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?China would never try and bomb back(Original post by cl_steele)
Feel free to neg me to hell and back for this but i feel none...
It isnt our fight, what business is it of ours to involve ourselves in yet another costly foreign war which will inevitably just come back to bite us in the ass like the ones before? We arent a super power whos word is infalible within international politics anymore it is none of our business to force regime change, how would we like it if somebody like say China or whoever decided they didnt like Mr Cameron and started bombing us to holy hell and back...?
where do you think the majority of it's business comes from
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?While I think the UN has an obligation to defend freedom, the situation in Syria isn't as clear cut as it was in Libya so I don't think military intervention from the west will happen. Especially as an election is coming up for Obama.
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?Good point. It boils down to politics. Having said that, look at what the Falklands did for Thatcher. Obama could boost his chances with a quick win(Original post by Elwyn)
While I think the UN has an obligation to defend freedom, the situation in Syria isn't as clear cut as it was in Libya so I don't think military intervention from the west will happen. Especially as an election is coming up for Obama. -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?I dont think that there should be any military intervention from the West - the Gulf states are already arming the rebels so we dont need too.
Syria's future is very bleak but there is little we can do about it. -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?I don't think we should fix the rebel's problems, but we should at least block aircraft and heavy artillery deployment.
I think Syria only really took off after seeing how we helped Libya to win their war, but now they're getting the **** kicked out of them whilst we just watch impassively.
Would you help one victim beat their bully in a fair fight, but then sit on the sidelines as another victim gets ganged up on by 5 bullies bigger than them, only after standing up to them because they saw how you helped the other victim? -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?If you are going to intervene why not do so properly rather than half arsed so more people die.
In my opinion we either intervene in which case arming the rebels, limiting the power of the Assad regime to maintain order or put pressure by economic means, is the same in terms of meddling as just getting fully involved on a military level. Or we stay out, fully out. We can negotiate with Assad on humanitarian grounds, but if we do that we have to accept the responsibility lies with him, the man in power.
I don't think we should get involved at all, I don't think its in our interests on any level to do so. As from a moral stand point, its joke, we stand by while countries across the world have horrible things happen. There is still fighting in the Congo, where the worst war since WW2 has happened, why aren't we getting involved there, with their natural resources even the Iraq argument doesn't hold. -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?The UN has an obligation to prevent wars between states, foster unity and promote certain values, not to enforce them nor to encourage an invasion of a sovereign state. Of course many will quip back that Assad has lost legitimacy to rule to which it can be pinned, define legitimacy? Some people would argue that he has never been legitimate as he inhererited the presidency. Some would argue that the Assad dynasty lost legitimacy when papa Assad decided to murder 10s of thousands of people to which the international community that according to you has an obligation "to defend freedom" instead chose to do nothing.(Original post by Elwyn)
While I think the UN has an obligation to defend freedom, the situation in Syria isn't as clear cut as it was in Libya so I don't think military intervention from the west will happen. Especially as an election is coming up for Obama.
Also if we are going to intervene in these countries under the guise of "defending freedom" whatever on earth that is, do you not think that we should make sure that our own houses are in perfect order first? -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?Discussing this is kind of futile imo. I can conceive of an intervention I might approve of, but that's not going to happen so why advocate it? What I think will happen is that Assad and the rebels will between them reduce Syria to rubble over the next few months and then NATO will come into the vacuum left to install their own regime.
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?Why exactly do you believe this? I'm interested.(Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
None whatsoever. The Syrians are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they damn well deserve it. -
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Re: What action should be taken over Syria?Whatever the correct strategy, there's way too much torture going on to ignore the situation. This isn't about whether we're too feeble or can't spare the resources. The international community should be absolutely ashamed of itself if those are the reasons for not intervening. It should purely about whether an intervention would benefit Syria, and that isn't clear cut.
To those that say "why do we have a right to meddle" or "we owe them nothing" - if we don't look out for the 1000's systematically tortured, including young children, who will?
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