Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'
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Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'An article from the Evening Standard.
Thoughts on this article?new video footage appears to show syrian rebels executing captured government supporters.
the two minute film, which has not been verified, purported to show unarmed members of a pro-assad militia called shabiha being lined up and shot dead in front of a crowd.
it surfaced after another night of intense fighting, with rebeled attacked by helicopter gunships and artillery. loud explosions could be heard from the salaheddine area. US broadcaster NBC said rebels have acquired neary two dozen SAM's. Tens of thousands of Aleppos 2.5million residents are now short of food, power and water.
One person was killed in clashed that erupted at dawn in a christian neighbourhood in the old city of Damascus. Violence has been rare in the Christian areas, which for the most part have not joined the 17month rebellion. President Assad said today that the conflict between rebels and government forces would decide the fate of the nation.
Personally i fail to see how the rebels are behaving any better than Assads men executing unarmed people in the street... -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Agreed - it's very depressing. No doubt the other side will retaliate in kind soon.(Original post by cl_steele)
Personally i fail to see how the rebels are behaving any better than Assads men executing unarmed people in the street...
The same thing happened in Libya, with Gaddafi himself being the most well-known victim of summary justice (or 'cross-fire', to use the euphemism employed by his captors) -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'I didnt say they were killing civillians i said unarmed people, either way its still hardly acceptable. Its like kicking someone when theyre already down and ignores the rules of war.(Original post by B-Man.)
Killing civilians is not the same as killing militants (shabitha) as this article claims may have occurred.. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'This article is disengenious. It says
You are aware of course that the "pro-assad militia called Shabiha" are not merely "government supporters", but a Ba'athist death squad responsible for several massacres accross Syria (including Houla), as well as the operation of Assad's instruments of torture and repression of his own people.new video footage appears to show syrian rebels executing captured government supporters.
the two minute film...purported to show unarmed members of a pro-assad militia called shabiha being lined up and shot dead in front of a crowd.
Sorry, but I have little sympathy. It is a bit like describing the assasination of Reinhard Heydrich as "assasinating a German government supporter".Last edited by Clessus; 01-08-2012 at 18:51. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Ooop probably should have read that bit slightly more closely, apologies(Original post by Clessus)
This article is disengenious. It says
You are aware of course that the "pro-assad militia called Shabiha" are not merely "government supporters", but a Ba'athist death squad responsible for several massacres accross Syria (including Houla), as well as the operation of Assad's instruments of torture and repression of his own people.
Sorry, but I have little sympathy. It is a bit like describing the assasination of Reinhard Heydrich as "assasinating a German government supporter".
But still i just disagree with extra-judicial killings in the street...
Just arguing the toss here but couldnt one equally argue the point they do little more than the rebels but on the flip side though? -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'(Original post by cl_steele)
Ooop probably should have read that bit slightly more closely, apologies But still i just disagree with extra-judicial killings in the street...
Just arguing the toss here but couldnt one equally argue the point they do little more than the rebels but on the flip side though?
I agree that it is a violation of the laws of war, and I disagree with it as well, but to say that summarily killing several members of a death squad is the same as massacring a village of 108 civilians is silly. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'And I said killing a civilian is different to killing a militant.(Original post by cl_steele)
I didnt say they were killing civillians i said unarmed people, either way its still hardly acceptable. Its like kicking someone when theyre already down and ignores the rules of war. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Im not disputing that..?(Original post by B-Man.)
And I said killing a civilian is different to killing a militant. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Its not a war, its a revolution. In order to herald the new you have to first dispose of the old. This is the way things have always gone, its totally expected, and I certainly don't think any less of the rebels for doing this. I'll reserve my judgement of them for when their regime is in power, which I doubt will take much longer.(Original post by cl_steele)
I didnt say they were killing civillians i said unarmed people, either way its still hardly acceptable. Its like kicking someone when theyre already down and ignores the rules of war. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'1. You don't know the context of this story, those criminals probably had to be executed for the safety of others.
2. Executing criminals isn't a crime, otherwise almost ever nation on the planet might as well be on the news. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Unfortunately this sort of thing can and often does happen in armed conflict, it is not right, however i would bet most armed conflicts of the past have had this happen at some point, maybe Falklands conflict being exception there, though i may be wrong.
What i found interesting though was when it was covered on the news earlier the journalists seem to have ... not changed their opinion on the FSA and various militia that come under that banner, but defiantly seemed to displayed a little trepidation, almost as if the penny had finally dropped that removing Assad would not be a happily ever after story with puppies and rainbows and people of all creeds holding hands and skipping through Damascus. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'(Original post by Freiheit)
A lot of the pro rebel supporters are hypocrites IMO.
Care to explain how we're hypocrites?Last edited by Clessus; 01-08-2012 at 22:14. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Do you believe in the enforcement of the Geneva Conventions that apply to non-international armed conflict?(Original post by Clessus)
Care to explain how we're hypocrites?
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'Yes, see my post above. And irregular military forces (i.e the Shahiba) are only protected by the Geneva Conventions if they conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. If they do not, they may be considered illegal combatants and subjected to summary execution.(Original post by Freiheit)
Do you believe in the enforcement of the Geneva Conventions that apply to non-international armed conflict?
Provided they do not wantonly kill civillians, then yes. And killing civillians while attacking a legitimate military target (i.e. in a crossfire) is not a war crime, nor a violation of the Geneva conventions. ,Do you believe that the rebels are justified in using violence even if there are civilian casualties as a result?Last edited by Clessus; 01-08-2012 at 22:34. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'First of all, it breaks the Geneva convention, which the rebels+everyone in the world has the abide to.(Original post by B-Man.)
Killing civilians is not the same as killing militants (The Shabiha) as this article claims may have occurred..
These guys were not found guilty by a court, other than the rebels doing their own 'sharia' court (hurrah, another victory for sharia
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Also, I find it funny how muslims seem to believe the western media on Syria, even though it lied on Iraq and Afghanistan. How stupid can one be.Last edited by MrRanbow99; 01-08-2012 at 22:39. -
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Re: Syrian rebels 'staging street executions'tbh, they if they have captured Pro Assad troops, what are they supposed to do with them? Take them to the police station perhaps?
They have two options, kill them or let them go. If they are going to let them go there was no point in capturing them. Until they have a court room or detention facilities they can't do much else. Plus they are rebels, not an organised force. The key members cannot account or publicly discipline people who break the rules. You pick up a gun and shoot at troops you are a a fully fledged rebel, there is no contract or terms and conditions.
But still i just disagree with extra-judicial killings in the street...
