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(Original post by between_the_lies)
So if at the time the atom was understood, you were skeptical of the atom, you could just as well say "wow a well known atom believer beloved in the atom." The statement would not focus the scientific evidence but on your prejudices. You are prejudiced against any person in this case who has information against modernity's constructs.

The whole point is much more simple than your word play. The "academic" you referred us to, relating to the IQ of Black Americans, used inadequate data at best,and at worst simply made it up. You then presented his findings as fact to back up your own fiction. It's certainly not rocket science is it.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by between_the_lies)
So if at the time the atom was understood, you were skeptical of the atom, you could just as well say "wow a well known atom believer beloved in the atom." The statement would not focus the scientific evidence but on your prejudices. You are prejudiced against any person in this case who has information against modernity's constructs.

Even though the only people that support Richard Lynn are other racists?

[between_the_lies]

(Original post by starmanclash)
The whole point is much more simple than your word play. The "academic" you referred us to, relating to the IQ of Black Americans, used inadequate data at best,and at worst simply made it up. You then presented his findings as fact to back up your own fiction. It's certainly not rocket science is it.

It's also not rocket science so see the history of Africa or the black American ghettos full of crime and drug dealing. There is no data that can make a person see what they don't want to see.

[between_the_lies]

(Original post by starmanclash)
You play with words and do not compare like with like. Issues relating to black pride were the result of black people feeling subjugated as a result of the legacy of slavery and racism and came to the fore during the U.S. civil rights movement.
White pride tends to express itself as meaning racial superiority and the sort of crap you churn out. So yes, I reject racism. So can you present me with a concept of white pride which DOES NOT involve racism ? I await your reply...

Race is the biggest reality to all races. You have just legitimised the struggle of some races while delegitimising the struggle of other races.

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(Original post by between_the_lies)
Race is the biggest reality to all races. You have just legitimised the struggle of some races while delegitimising the struggle of other races.

The reality is that the majority of people do not think like that - only racists do. Now answer my question. I'm waiting....

[between_the_lies]

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[between_the_lies]

(Original post by starmanclash)
The reality is that the majority of people do not think like that - only racists do. Now answer my question. I'm waiting....

I see so the Native Americans don't think like that, the Tibettans don't think like that? That don't mind all the Chinese immigration flooding out their ethnicity? And Indias majority nationalist BJP party couldn't care less about their culture and ethnicity according to you? So it's just white people who are not normal if they think like that? And each race can want to make themselves the majority in a white country except for the white man who has been castrated. If he speaks about race he is a vile racist?

[starmanclash]

(Original post by between_the_lies)
I see so the Native Americans don't think like that, the Tibettans don't think like that? That don't mind all the Chinese immigration flooding out their ethnicity? And Indias majority nationalist BJP party couldn't care less about their culture and ethnicity according to you? So it's just white people who are not normal if they think like that? And each race can want to make themselves the majority in a white country except for the white man who has been castrated. If he speaks about race he is a vile racist?

Again you do not compare like with like and are attempting to muddy the waters.
There have been, and are, a number of nationalist movements throughout the world. However, the predominant concerns are not racial - but questions of independence and self determination in the face of imperial or colonial occupation. Tibet now, and Northern Ireland during the 'troubles,' are but two examples. So, whilst nationalist movements do involve a specific people, although not exclusively, such movements are concerned with one nation state imposing it's will on their own.
Only racists want to define these struggles in racial terms and keep banging on about the white man like you do. I happen to have been born white - no great achievement on my part was it ?

[between_the_lies]

(Original post by starmanclash)
Again you do not compare like with like and are attempting to muddy the waters.
There have been, and are, a number of nationalist movements throughout the world. However, the predominant concerns are not racial - but questions of independence and self determination in the face of imperial or colonial occupation. Tibet now, and Northern Ireland during the 'troubles,' are but two examples. So, whilst nationalist movements do involve a specific people, although not exclusively, such movements are concerned with one nation state imposing it's will on their own.
Only racists want to define these struggles in racial terms and keep banging on about the white man like you do. I happen to have been born white - no great achievement on my part was it ?

Emma West did not ask to be work white. Nor did she ask to be born in South East London, nor does she think it's a great achievement on her part. (So called anti-racists try to muddy the waters by using this barometer on white people but never on not white people; they would never say non white people think being born in their race is a great achievement on their part for identification with their group.)

While it is true that the racial groups I mentioned have been impacted by colonialisation/ invasion, I fail to see much difference from the perspective of a Tibetan being flooded by Chinese or from Emma West's perspective being flooded by a whole range of different people's to make her and her kind the minority. Your focus is simply on the cause rather than the effect. However even the cause could be quite similar depending on how you think about it: under colonialisation is was a national imperialism that tried to gain power by taking over countries, now it is an economic imperialism that only cares about its economic system/ resources etc. not race, culture, tradition, religion etc. coupled with liberalism which wants to promote things like diversity. Slightly different cause same effect.

[Sheldor]

(Original post by between_the_lies)
Emma West did not ask to be work white. Nor did she ask to be born in South East London, nor does she think it's a great achievement on her part. (So called anti-racists try to muddy the waters by using this barometer on white people but never on not white people; they would never say non white people think being born in their race is a great achievement on their part for identification with their group.)

While it is true that the racial groups I mentioned have been impacted by colonialisation/ invasion, I fail to see much difference from the perspective of a Tibetan being flooded by Chinese or from Emma West's perspective being flooded by a whole range of different people's to make her and her kind the minority. Your focus is simply on the cause rather than the effect. However even the cause could be quite similar depending on how you think about it: under colonialisation is was a national imperialism that tried to gain power by taking over countries, now it is an economic imperialism that only cares about its economic system/ resources etc. not race, culture, tradition, religion etc. coupled with liberalism which wants to promote things like diversity. Slightly different cause same effect.

I'm sorry, but wasn't Tibet more about human rights than not liking different races or cultures? Were Emma West and her counterparts being tortured, oppressed, having freedom of speech removed, not being allowed to tell the world of the beatings she recieved and forced to live under a leadership she didn't want? No. This is a democracy for everyone, so if she felt uncomfortable about the diversity in her area, then she could've politely raised an issue with her MP, sent a petition to downing street, start a blog, etc. Screaming abuse on public transport about anything, including racial abuse BOTH WAYS( If it had been a black woman in a predominantly white area screaming abuse at Caucasians, then she would have been treated exactly the same) is against the law, and seeing as she was mentally unstable(A fact found through psychiatrists, not assumed from her outburst) it makes sense that her child was removed from her care for fear of abuse being directed at this child.


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(Original post by Sheldor)
I'm sorry, but wasn't Tibet more about human rights than not liking different races or cultures? Were Emma West and her counterparts being tortured, oppressed, having freedom of speech removed, not being allowed to tell the world of the beatings she recieved and forced to live under a leadership she didn't want? No. This is a democracy for everyone, so if she felt uncomfortable about the diversity in her area, then she could've politely raised an issue with her MP, sent a petition to downing street, start a blog, etc. Screaming abuse on public transport about anything, including racial abuse BOTH WAYS( If it had been a black woman in a predominantly white area screaming abuse at Caucasians, then she would have been treated exactly the same) is against the law, and seeing as she was mentally unstable(A fact found through psychiatrists, not assumed from her outburst) it makes sense that her child was removed from her care for fear of abuse being directed at this child.


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The Tibetan people can complain to the international media. The Native Americans are listened to by the Federal govt, the People of India are listened to by the BJP. When Gilliam Duffey brought up the issue with Gordon Brown he called her a bigoted woman of public TV. The only place British people can complain about this issue to is the BNP who will then ask them to help promote them (which is understandable). The person will then face persecution, potentially loss of livelihood, and potentially violent attacks by state sponsored thugs (UAF). This racism is only towards white people.

[Sheldor]

(Original post by between_the_lies)
The Tibetan people can complain to the international media. The Native Americans are listened to by the Federal govt, the People of India are listened to by the BJP. When Gilliam Duffey brought up the issue with Gordon Brown he called her a bigoted woman of public TV. The only place British people can complain about this issue to is the BNP who will then ask them to help promote them (which is understandable). The person will then face persecution, potentially loss of livelihood, and potentially violent attacks by state sponsored thugs (UAF). This racism is only towards white people.

There is no racism in this, except by those complaining because they don't like being around other races. Again, a black person joining the BNP and being just as spitefull would receive just as much of a negative reaction. There are no state sponsored thugs or violent attacks. Any attacks may be from a violent,independent of state, gang who disprove of certain views and the state would imprison them through the law courts for battery/assault, just as a white gang going around beating up people based purely on race/country of origin/accent, a real problem in some parts of London on both sides.


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[starmanclash]

I don't debate with Fascists or their sympathisers. Goodbye _Lies. You are one sick puppy.

[FDR]

(Original post by Sheldor)
I'm sorry, but wasn't Tibet more about human rights than not liking different races or cultures? Were Emma West and her counterparts being tortured, oppressed, having freedom of speech removed, not being allowed to tell the world of the beatings she recieved and forced to live under a leadership she didn't want? No. This is a democracy for everyone, so if she felt uncomfortable about the diversity in her area, then she could've politely raised an issue with her MP, sent a petition to downing street, start a blog, etc. Screaming abuse on public transport about anything, including racial abuse BOTH WAYS( If it had been a black woman in a predominantly white area screaming abuse at Caucasians, then she would have been treated exactly the same) is against the law, and seeing as she was mentally unstable(A fact found through psychiatrists, not assumed from her outburst) it makes sense that her child was removed from her care for fear of abuse being directed at this child.


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Fantastic post.

To try and say that the situation of Emma west, a Londoner is similar to that of a Tibetan is not only nonsensical, but ignorant.

[between_the_lies]

(Original post by Sheldor)
There is no racism in this, except by those complaining because they don't like being around other races. Again, a black person joining the BNP and being just as spitefull would receive just as much of a negative reaction. There are no state sponsored thugs or violent attacks. Any attacks may be from a violent,independent of state, gang who disprove of certain views and the state would imprison them through the law courts for battery/assault, just as a white gang going around beating up people based purely on race/country of origin/accent, a real problem in some parts of London on both sides.


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Some people might dislike other races and other may respect all races but feel that each race lives in a different Dasein or plain of existence and each should exist in separate space. When you look at black ghettos in the USA e.g. Detroit or Baltimore where they often sit on the side of the road or shoot people, deal drugs, other crime etc. they are in the wrong Dasein and should be returned to their correct Dasein. Nevertheless regardless of what your opinion is we have freedom of speech and what you are saying is fascist in nature; basically to deny people freedom of speech and believe that they should face intimidation if they disagree with a certain view. The modern type of multiculturalism is a very recent phenomenon and who are you to say categorically whether it is right or wrong to such an extent that you want to deny people to be heard and advocate repressing them for their views. You think you are neutral and the voice of reason but in the face of reason you are highly biased. And to close, I know someone who is a "diversity lecturer" and when I was walking with her in Earls Court she commented that it was a strange feeling to feel like an outsider in your own country. Even the people preaching this stuff don't believe it! Its just like communist Russia, most people know they are serving a lie and some people are too young, too blind, gullible or scared to acknowledge the lie.

[between_the_lies]

(Original post by starmanclash)
I don't debate with Fascists or their sympathisers. Goodbye _Lies. You are one sick puppy.

The words and context of "extreme", racist, fascist are only relative to those in power at any one time. They are also weapons to make sure that any battle of ideas is fought in the terms of those in power. Anyone hiding behind them is phoney.

[starmanclash]

(Original post by between_the_lies)
The words and context of "extreme", racist, fascist are only relative to those in power at any one time. They are also weapons to make sure that any battle of ideas is fought in the terms of those in power. Anyone hiding behind them is phoney.

_Lies: You are one sick puppy.

[Time Tourist]

(Original post by gladders)
Immigration is nothing new - not in scale, nor in nature. Plus ce change.

That's a lie.