[Nord]

Hi there,

Title should be more like: Working in the UK as an EU citizen.

So basically, I want to work in England, only I don't know what kind of documents I need. When I went to Germany a few years ago, I needed to set up a lot of things such as social security number, health insurance and some other stuff that I can't recall. I had a very short deadline to get those things and luckily I managed but I'd rather like to be prepared this time.

So obviously my question is: What will I need to work in England?

Social Security number? Health insurance number?
And if so, where I can get those things?


It'd be nice if someone who already did this (like an EU citizen from anywhere who is working in England now) had some advice! Other replies are of course appreciated as well!

[kumori]

i may be wrong, however since you are in the EU you are able to just work in the UK (if you can find a job that is, there is very little at the moment). other people may be able to give you a more in-depth answer however

[Nord]

(Original post by kumori)
i may be wrong, however since you are in the EU you are able to just work in the UK (if you can find a job that is, there is very little at the moment). other people may be able to give you a more in-depth answer however

I know I am able to work in the UK, just I probably will need more than just my normal insurance and SSN. Like I said, in germany I have to get a whole new "Identity" so to speak.

Had to have permanent residence in germany and all the stuff they have there.

[kyleball]

I am not completely sure, but I think you might need your passport and evidence of the right to work in the UK.

I do not think a study visa gives you that right? Excuse my ignorance if it does, and if it does, that would be your evidence.

[kumori]

oh ok, i get what you mean now. I don't know to much about this, so i best not confuse you with what may be wrong and let someone who knows more about it answer

[Nord]

(Original post by kyleball)
I am not completely sure, but I think you might need your passport and evidence of the right to work in the UK.

I do not think a study visa gives you that right? Excuse my ignorance if it does, and if it does, that would be your evidence.

Nah I don't need a student visa, I don't think.

I know I legally have the right to work, the only trouble is needing another (local) insurance and also a SSN for England/Rest of the UK.

My home country insurance only covers like travel, but not permanent work in another EU country. That's I think up to 3months covered, that's why I need an extra work insurance in the UK.

[kumori]

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/nic/work/ni-uk.htm

may help you (we use NI not SSN) and in terms of insurance if you mean health insurance we use NHS

and

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/englan...rom_abroad.htm

[abbyheat]

Generally, EU students don't need a study visa to study in the UK. Only students from outside the EU/EEA need this. They can then work for a maximum of 20 hours a week, as per the Border Agency's Tier 4 (the most common student visa) regs.

Students from most EU countries can just apply for jobs in the same way that a home student would with no maximum hours (although your university may have a policy on this so check). The exceptions to this are students from Bulgaria and Romania who need something called a yellow card (BR1) before they can work. Once all this is sorted, your passport should be enough to prove your eligibility to work but you will need to apply for a national insurance number for tax purposes.



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[Foghorn Leghorn]

Right people are talking a load of ****e in this thread!!!!

(Original post by Nord)
Hi there,

So basically, I want to work in England, only I don't know what kind of documents I need. When I went to Germany a few years ago, I needed to set up a lot of things such as social security number, health insurance and some other stuff that I can't recall. I had a very short deadline to get those things and luckily I managed but I'd rather like to be prepared this time.

So obviously my question is: What will I need to work in England?

Social Security number? Health insurance number?
And if so, where I can get those things?


It'd be nice if someone who already did this (like an EU citizen from anywhere who is working in England now) had some advice! Other replies are of course appreciated as well!

OP you don't need a SSN number or health insurance, as an EU student you are entitled to use the NHS in the same way british citizens use it literally from the day you arrive in the country. One thing you need to do though is register with a doctor/GP (general practitioner). You can do this through your university or find your own GP. You are free to use the NHS for accidents and emergancies from day one, but if you need to use the outpatients facilities or some specialists clinics you need to be referred by a GP, hence why you should register to a GP straight away just incase.

All EU and EEA nationals/students are allowed to find work in the UK from day one, there are absolutely no restrictions from you getting a job from day you arrice (with the exception of Bulgarians and Romanians). You will have to get a National Insurance number before or after you start work, which everyone has but your employer may sort that out for you, if not then you can just phone them up and they'll send you one out. Dending on your income you may or may not have to pay income tax and national insurance contributions, the UK personal allowance is £8,105, therefore if your wage is exactly that or below you will not pay any tax anything above that and you will be taxed according to your income. Although given you are a student I would assume you'd be getting a part time job which probably means you'd fall within the national allowance.

Hope that helps.

[Nord]

(Original post by Foghorn Leghorn)
Hope that helps.

It did! Thanks a lot.

Now the other question is: What if you are not a student?
Actually I asked the wrong question at first I just realised. (I wont be studying for another year but this: )

I'm doing some sort of trainee program there with the BBC. (That is if I get into it!) And I will be working full time (Pay is about 15,600 p.a.).

So the question is what do I need now to be able to do the training? I don't think the BBC will be particularily happy if they offer me a place and I can't take it because I haven't sorted THIS STUFF yet.

I don't think I need a visa, because I'm an EU citizen, but I might need other things? SSN and all that?

[zaliack]

(Original post by Nord)
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Don't think you'll have to do anything different. As Foghorn said, just get your NI sorted and you'll be free to work.

[StockholmBoy]

Don't you need a national insurance number? I'm from Sweden (EU) and I needed to get that when I started working in the UK.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

(Original post by Nord)
It did! Thanks a lot.

Now the other question is: What if you are not a student?
Actually I asked the wrong question at first I just realised. (I wont be studying for another year but this: )

I'm doing some sort of trainee program there with the BBC. (That is if I get into it!) And I will be working full time (Pay is about 15,600 p.a.).

So the question is what do I need now to be able to do the training? I don't think the BBC will be particularily happy if they offer me a place and I can't take it because I haven't sorted THIS STUFF yet.

I don't think I need a visa, because I'm an EU citizen, but I might need other things? SSN and all that?

We do not have SSN in this country, we only have income tax and National Insurance contribution. National insurance isn't actually insurance, it is still a government tax, it's just called national insurance because the money taken from it get used in different areas from your income tax. Both are government taxes.

As an EU national your entitlement to work and use the NHS is the same as it would be if you are a student. You do not need apply for anything, you only need to register with a GP, it's not madatory but it is advisable and register for a national insurance card. You must get the NI card as everyone in the UK has one, but you can do this before or after you start work again there is no application process just a registration. Your employer will be able to help you out with this, it's not difficult you just phone them up and register your name and they'll send you one out. Honestly there is no need to worry.


Your income means you will be taxed both income tax and NI contributions which at your wage bracket your take home earnings will be around £13,200.

EDIT: Appologies, you may need to be interviewed for you NI card, but this is only to confirm you are who you say you are.

[Nord]

(Original post by Foghorn Leghorn)
We do not have SSN in this country, we only have income tax and National Insurance contribution. National insurance isn't actually insurance, it is still a government tax, it's just called national insurance because the money taken from it get used in different areas from your income tax. Both are government taxes.

As an EU national you're entitlement to work and use the NHS is the same as it would be if you are a student. You do not need a thing, you only need to register with a GP, it's not madatory but it is advisable and register for a national insurance card. You must get the NI card as everyone in the UK has one, but you can do this before or after you start work. Your employer will be able to help you out with this, it's not difficult you just phone them up and register your name and they'll send you one out. Honestly there is no need to worry.


Your income means you will be taxed both income tax and NI contributions which at your wage bracket your take home earnings will be around £13,200.

Okay, thanks. So there is no need to get anything but this National Insurance Number/Card thing if I understood that right?

Thank you very much! (And of course everyone else who has replied!)

[Foghorn Leghorn]

(Original post by Nord)
Okay, thanks. So there is no need to get anything but this National Insurance Number/Card thing if I understood that right?

Thank you very much! (And of course everyone else who has replied!)

Yes pretty much. However, I made a little mistake, you may need to be intervied for your NI card, however this is just a formality to make sure you are who you say you are. I.e. they will check your photographic ID is you. But again this can be done before or after you start work.

[Sazzy890]

You have freedom of movement under EU law meaning that you can travel to, live in and work in the country and you can leave as you please as well. The only limit on this is Romanian and Bulgarian nationals who must obtain permission from the UK Border Agency to work here. Any other EU citizens do not need to apply for permission to work here.

[Crystal Fighter]

Bro dont come here for work. Im hoping to go to Berlin as my visit there greatly inspired me to move and work in Berlin as its 40% cheaper than London/Paris!

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[ellieee-x]

I work in medical recruitment and we appoint a lot of doctors from overseas, including the EU. Obviously it's more strict for doctors as they need GMC etc but the basic recruitment principles will probably be the same. You are likely to have to undergo a CRB check, so will have to prove evidence of your identity. This must be your passport or EU ID card, plus 2 proofs of address which must be recent. The CRB have recently toughened up on what documents you can use as a proof of address, for example NHS medical cards are no longer accepted.

As a student myself, when I got my job at the hospital I had to undergo a CRB and I had a lot of trouble finding proof of address documents that they'd accept. Utility bills etc are all in my mum's name, I did my banking online, I was on a pay as you go mobile...I eventually had to go back to paper banking and apply for a provisional driving licence to act as proof of address. If you're moving to the UK from the EU you might have difficulty in obtaining documents with your UK address on. Are you applying from the UK or abroad? If abroad you could use your international proof of address documents but as a student I'm not sure what you actually have in your name.

As others have said, if you're from Bulgaria/Romania you'll need to contact UKBA to obtain a card to entitle you to work in the UK. From experience these take FOREVER to issue, though I only have experience with doctors, so I am not sure if there would be such a long process for students etc.

Regarding National Insurance numbers, I believe you have to be employed already before you're able to get one. I tried to apply for one for a Dr before he commenced in post but his application was rejected. For our medics I call up the Job Centre Glasgow for an application form and submit it with copies of the doctor's residency documents, sign the declaration at the end and they're usually assigned within a couple of weeks. As others have said, you MAY have to attend an interview for this to prove your identity but I know for certain that not everyone does. In fact I'm not quite sure how they determine whether you need an interview, but recently we got an NI number for a Dr sent straight to us as his C/O address so he definitely didnt have to attend an interview. Also they don't issue cards anymore, it's just a flimsy letter which is kinda lame!

You MAY have to undergo fitness to work health checks. I did myself, though I'm not sure if that's just because I work in a hospital?

The employing organisation will also have to obtain sufficient satisfactory references for you. We have to cover the last three years of employment, but this would be at the discretion of the employer. Therefore if you're from overseas your referees must understand that they should provide the reference in English (we've received references in all sorts of languages...) otherwise you'll have to arrange official translations, they can't just accept your word on what the reference says...! It's the same with any qualifications etc, they must be translated.

Hope that helps anyway, it's just a general overview of our recruitment process. Not sure how it will work for the BBC...!

[Sazzy890]

(Original post by ellieee-x)
I work in medical recruitment and we appoint a lot of doctors from overseas, including the EU. Obviously it's more strict for doctors as they need GMC etc but the basic recruitment principles will probably be the same. You are likely to have to undergo a CRB check, so will have to prove evidence of your identity. This must be your passport or EU ID card, plus 2 proofs of address which must be recent. The CRB have recently toughened up on what documents you can use as a proof of address, for example NHS medical cards are no longer accepted.

You don't need CRB check for the majority of jobs, only for things where you will be dealing with potentially vulnerable people, or where you're expected to be trustworthy etc. Examples include jobs at doctors, hospital, police, bank etc. Most basic jobs will not require a CRB check though.

[Juichiro]

(Original post by Nord)
Hi there,

Title should be more like: Working in the UK as an EU citizen.

So basically, I want to work in England, only I don't know what kind of documents I need. When I went to Germany a few years ago, I needed to set up a lot of things such as social security number, health insurance and some other stuff that I can't recall. I had a very short deadline to get those things and luckily I managed but I'd rather like to be prepared this time.

So obviously my question is: What will I need to work in England?

Social Security number? Health insurance number?
And if so, where I can get those things?


It'd be nice if someone who already did this (like an EU citizen from anywhere who is working in England now) had some advice! Other replies are of course appreciated as well!

First, you will need an address (the place where you will be living). Second, call the Work Department to get a National Insurance Number. Third, they will give you an interview date which will be 4 weeks after your phone call. Fourth, go to the interview. Fifth, wait 6 weeks for them to send you the NI card. With the NI number you can work here. Without it, it does not matter where you are from even if you are British, you won't be able to work here.