[toronto353]

(Original post by paddy__power)
You would have had my vote

No offence toronto ><

None taken. You're a raging lefty at heart.

(Original post by Morgsie)
Responding to speculation about a Morgsie Candidacy, Watch this space.

I have hinted what a Potential Morgsie Speakership would be like. I have 2 options open at the moment this and the MUN Attorney General post.

I am tired of the bullying by certain Members towards me, I nearly left and I slipped downwards. People bullied me out of office. I want a House that is free from bullying and respects people from different backgrounds. Openess and Transparency would continue.

Morgsie, the problem is that you've got the idea that the Speaker is some kind of mod position though and it really isn't. Instances of bullying are reported in AAM/ reported via the post report function. As Speaker, you don't have access to those functions of the site and my worry is that you are thinking that it is some kind of mod position and it isn't. Intervening in mod matters won't go down well with the mods and it goes beyond the Speaker's remit and can lead to accusations of a lack of neutrality.

I want an atmosphere free of bullying, but I feel that you've got an idea of what the Speakership is and it simply isn't like that. That said, if you were to run, I look forward to our debates.

[ByronicHero]

(Original post by toronto353)
None taken. You're a raging lefty at heart.




Morgsie, the problem is that you've got the idea that the Speaker is some kind of mod position though and it really isn't. Instances of bullying are reported in AAM/ reported via the post report function. As Speaker, you don't have access to those functions of the site and my worry is that you are thinking that it is some kind of mod position and it isn't. Intervening in mod matters won't go down well with the mods and it goes beyond the Speaker's remit and can lead to accusations of a lack of neutrality.

I want an atmosphere free of bullying, but I feel that you've got an idea of what the Speakership is and it simply isn't like that. That said, if you were to run, I look forward to our debates.

That's me

I agree with your take on the role offered above but it is worth noting that there is a grey area, as with anything, and it is well within the Speaker's remit to comment on the actions of members who may be disrupting the house. Certainly the speaker can look to oppose "bullying" and to foster a friendly and welcoming environment in the house - indeed this should always be the case - but part of this would be actively reporting posts that broke site rules and then leaving it to the moderator(s) who the Speaker works closely with anyway. Often a friendly PM offering guidance to newer members will probably suffice with respect to changing behaviors we tend not to accept. I'm pretty sure I have personally sent them before in my capacity as party leader and the like and I would be very surprised if Nick hadn't sent many over his time. It certainly isn't in any way a moderator position though and you are right to point that out to Morgsie just in case! A Speaker who oversteps his mark will not remain so for very long

[toronto353]

(Original post by paddy__power)
That's me

I agree with your take on the role offered above but it is worth noting that there is a grey area, as with anything, and it is well within the Speaker's remit to comment on the actions of members who may be disrupting the house. Certainly the speaker can look to oppose "bullying" and to foster a friendly and welcoming environment in the house - indeed this should always be the case - but part of this would be actively reporting posts that broke site rules and then leaving it to the moderator(s) who the Speaker works closely with anyway. Often a friendly PM offering guidance to newer members will probably suffice with respect to changing behaviors we tend not to accept. I'm pretty sure I have personally sent them before in my capacity as party leader and the like and I would be very surprised if Nick hadn't sent many over his time. It certainly isn't in any way a moderator position though and you are right to point that out to Morgsie just in case! A Speaker who oversteps his mark will not remain so for very long

Oh there is completely a grey area and I've got a number of methods as seen in my last manifesto to tackle the atmosphere issue - though it is less hostile of late. I agree that there's ways of doing it, but I just want to make sure that Morgsie doesn't view it as a moderating position because bullying that breaks site rules i.e. offensive behaviour is dealt with by the mods first and foremost. I would monitor the situation, but that would be an area that I imagine the mods having the discipline role whereas I'll be looking to work with leaders to try to limit and prevent bullying. It's an area where everyone has a part to play.

[ByronicHero]

(Original post by toronto353)
Oh there is completely a grey area and I've got a number of methods as seen in my last manifesto to tackle the atmosphere issue - though it is less hostile of late. I agree that there's ways of doing it, but I just want to make sure that Morgsie doesn't view it as a moderating position because bullying that breaks site rules i.e. offensive behaviour is dealt with by the mods first and foremost. I would monitor the situation, but that would be an area that I imagine the mods having the discipline role whereas I'll be looking to work with leaders to try to limit and prevent bullying. It's an area where everyone has a part to play.

You're not wrong. The area exists where, in your capacity as overseer of the house, you can notice trends in people's discourse which individually break no rules but in combination amount to something not conducive to what we are trying to achieve here. It will often be pointed out and addressed anyway (as with Blueray, for example) by other members but as Speaker these trends should be at least as obvious to you as to anyone else. It isn't so much bullying as I don't really think that happens as much as it is about attitude. Certainly a large part of the burden for ensuring disruptive elements are dealt with appropriately sits with party leaders but sometimes it is in the interests of the house for the Speaker to act and it is important that they do. We are lucky really in that these issues are not huge ones for us but they do come up from time to time. Behind the scenes both mods and admin are in constant, regular contact with the Speaker, SG and the deputies so there is ample opportunity for the holder of one of those roles to seek guidance on marginal issues anyway.

[toronto353]

(Original post by paddy__power)
You're not wrong. The area exists where, in your capacity as overseer of the house, you can notice trends in people's discourse which individually break no rules but in combination amount to something not conducive to what we are trying to achieve here. It will often be pointed out and addressed anyway (as with Blueray, for example) by other members but as Speaker these trends should be at least as obvious to you as to anyone else. It isn't so much bullying as I don't really think that happens as much as it is about attitude. Certainly a large part of the burden for ensuring disruptive elements are dealt with appropriately sits with party leaders but sometimes it is in the interests of the house for the Speaker to act and it is important that they do. We are lucky really in that these issues are not huge ones for us but they do come up from time to time. Behind the scenes both mods and admin are in constant, regular contact with the Speaker, SG and the deputies so there is ample opportunity for the holder of one of those roles to seek guidance on marginal issues anyway.

Exactly, but, if elected, I would seek a more collective effort for this with myself overseeing and intervening where necessary. As you say, instances of this are rare as they're either mod issues or are dealt with by leaders. I would be there for when the actions of an individual don't break site rules so aren't dealt with by mods and are so serious that the leaders getting involved wouldn't be sufficient enough - i.e. the JPKC issue.

[rmhumphries]

(Original post by paperclip)
I dunno, i already come on pretty much everyday, and i usually know when i will be disappearing at least a couple of days in advance. I just dont post everyday because i dont really have much of quality to add.

Plus, i am pretty good at standing my ground, rationalising my behaviour and telling people off

Though, upon reflection i probably wont run. I dont know where i am going career wise, and it could end up eating up all of my time, especially if i do end up going into research so it would be a poor move.

You should run, and deal with issues with your career if they come up.

[ByronicHero]

(Original post by toronto353)
Exactly, but, if elected, I would seek a more collective effort for this with myself overseeing and intervening where necessary. As you say, instances of this are rare as they're either mod issues or are dealt with by leaders. I would be there for when the actions of an individual don't break site rules so aren't dealt with by mods and are so serious that the leaders getting involved wouldn't be sufficient enough - i.e. the JPKC issue.

Cool

[Life_peer]

Toronto353 has proven to have the right qualities for the speakership, I shall be voting for him in the second round as well and I advice you to do the same.

JPKC or internetguru occupying that position would be a bad joke and with all due respect, I fear that Morgsie is too overreactive, although surely possesses other qualities.

By the way, possesses is quite a fine word.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Life_peer)
Toronto353 has proven to have the right qualities for the speakership, I shall be voting for him in the second round as well and I advice you to do the same.

JPKC or internetguru occupying that position would be a bad joke and with all due respect, I fear that Morgsie is too overreactive, although surely possesses other qualities.

By the way, possesses is quite a fine word.

Nice word choice there and thank you for your endorsement.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by Life_peer)
Toronto353 has proven to have the right qualities for the speakership, I shall be voting for him in the second round as well and I advice you to do the same.

JPKC or internetguru occupying that position would be a bad joke and with all due respect, I fear that Morgsie is too overreactive, although surely possesses other qualities.

By the way, possesses is quite a fine word.

Yes I over react but my heart is in the right place and please elaborate on my other qualities

[ByronicHero]

(Original post by Life_peer)
Toronto353 has proven to have the right qualities for the speakership, I shall be voting for him in the second round as well and I advice you to do the same.

JPKC or internetguru occupying that position would be a bad joke and with all due respect, I fear that Morgsie is too overreactive, although surely possesses other qualities.

By the way, possesses is quite a fine word.

I thought you promised to vote for me

[Life_peer]

(Original post by Morgsie)
Yes I over react but my heart is in the right place and please elaborate on my other qualities

For example, you seem to be honest, take things seriously, factual and good with data. Also, passionate about trains and not bullying people.

(Original post by paddy__power)
I thought you promised to vote for me

It was my understanding that you were not interested.

[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by internetguru)
Which would basically mean A TCIT victory which is what you guys all really want right? I stopped trolling long ago have you seen a single troll from me in the past 3 weeks if so please link me.

Frankly, no - I'd rather not just have the deputy speaker running everything, if they wanted to do so, they'd apply to be speaker.

I assume you've forgotten the whole Jewish-teh_France bit then?

[internetguru]

(Original post by Alofleicester)
Frankly, no - I'd rather not just have the deputy speaker running everything, if they wanted to do so, they'd apply to be speaker.

I assume you've forgotten the whole Jewish-teh_France bit then?

That isn't trolling that is teasing tehFrance.

[ByronicHero]

(Original post by Life_peer)
For example, you seem to be honest, take things seriously, factual and good with data. Also, passionate about trains and not bullying people.



It was my understanding that you were not interested.

Shocking.

I may submit a manifesto. Whether or not it ends up being serious....

[Life_peer]

(Original post by internetguru)
Which would basically mean A TCIT victory which is what you guys all really want right? I stopped trolling long ago have you seen a single troll from me in the past 3 weeks if so please link me.

(Original post by Alofleicester)
I assume you've forgotten the whole Jewish-teh_France bit then?

Pretending to be God as well.

[RoryS]

(Original post by Life_peer)
Toronto353 has proven to have the right qualities for the speakership, I shall be voting for him in the second round as well and I advice you to do the same.

JPKC or internetguru occupying that position would be a bad joke and with all due respect, I fear that Morgsie is too overreactive, although surely possesses other qualities.

By the way, possesses is quite a fine word.

You've not mentioned me! I'm running for Speaker too! What's wrong with me? (if you don't mind me asking).

(Original post by internetguru)
Joke? I am the most serious candidate in the field. The others are either racists or cheaters.

Ha!

[Life_peer]

(Original post by RoryS)
You've not mentioned me! I'm running for Speaker too! What's wrong with me? (if you don't mind me asking).

It was not my intention to be rude, I just do not know much about you and my attitude towards you is neutral. I also think that you have simply been here too short to be the speaker. To be honest, I recognise you only since the Ad HoC-gate and the Internet is especially a place where people's intentions are proven by time.

[RoryS]

(Original post by Life_peer)
It was not my intention to be rude, I just do not know much about you and my attitude towards you is neutral. I also think that you have simply been here too short to be the speaker. To be honest, I recognise you only since the Ad HoC-gate and the Internet is especially a place where people's intentions are proven by time.

I understand where you coming from and thank you for your honesty.

[toronto353]

So that's tehFrance and internetguru banned? It looks like it might be the same as round one at this rate.