[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
If you actually read up on people like Gaddafi, Ben Ali, Mubarrak etc. You'd realise these tyrants wouldn't even let peopledo some of the basic aspects of their faith. If someone "prayed to much" he'd get persecuted, same for a person who "grew a beard, as that's being too religious". Of course, religion wasn't the only basis for persecution, there were many other reasons as well, to do with power and greed.

If you look at China today, they won't even let Muslims fast this ramadan and constantly have them under close watch.

By migrating to other countries, you're choosing the lesser of the two evils. I mean, at least you would be allowed to practice your faith - which is better than not being allowed practice it.

unfortunatley as usual your little diatribe is irrelevant- Iftikhar Ahmed the father didnt flee any 'persectuion' he moved to denmark for economic reasons. he married a danish woman and then also went back to take a wife in pakistan (Farzana ahmed) as in islamic law hes allowed more than one wife. he left his danish wife ( due to uk law) and son there, according to interviews she stated he said, "if they had had a girl, he would not be able to allow her to grow up "without his guidance in the Islamic ways".

they then moved to the uk, again for economic reaosns - which is why most muslims came to this country

so again the original point stands, that the hypocracy of islamic thinking means they are happy to benefit from living in western society rather than a muslim one, but not willing enough to assimilate

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
he means asians like you. pakistanis,indians and sikhs. basicly people from the sub-continent

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...boyfriend.html

its mainly muslim though in this country, where there are well publisised cases involving pakistanis, afganis, iraqis and turks convicted.

[Kibalchich]

Yeah, 'cos they're all the same them Muslims aren't they, just a monolithic block

[Ishy_Blackburn]

Gotta say I'm so glad they've gone to jail, think they deserve a much harsher sentence than that though especally after the physial ancd mental abuse they must have put the poor girl through just for wanting to live a normal life in the country she was raised. I'm from a pretty devout Pakistani muslim family and I can tell you now that when we were watching the news about this everyone was absolutely disgusted and appaled. Nowhere does it say in the Quran that forced marriages or honour kills are right, it was just the parents and their sick twisted obsession with honour and shame. How they came to killing their own flesh and blood I'll never understand.

Hope she rests in peace.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
its mainly muslim though in this country, where there are well publisised cases involving pakistanis, afganis, iraqis and turks convicted.

but is majority indian and pakistani cases which are linked to their culture.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
unfortunatley as usual your little diatribe is irrelevant- Iftikhar Ahmed the father didnt flee any 'persectuion' he moved to denmark for economic reasons. he married a danish woman and then also went back to take a wife in pakistan (Farzana ahmed) as in islamic law hes allowed more than one wife. he left his danish wife ( due to uk law) and son there, according to interviews she stated he said, "if they had had a girl, he would not be able to allow her to grow up "without his guidance in the Islamic ways".

they then moved to the uk, again for economic reaosns - which is why most muslims came to this country

so again the original point stands, that the hypocracy of islamic thinking means they are happy to benefit from living in western society rather than a muslim one, but not willing enough to assimilate

so you hate muslims and islam and we get it but there is no need to scream about it is there.

[Hugues*]

Just been watching the news and this was headlining - glad they went to jail, perhaps they'll die there if we're lucky. They don't deserve the children they still have.

[krishan369]

(Original post by hughcapet)
To be fair, 'family honour' culture seems to have taken a hold in Asian families of all religions, whether they're Muslim, Hindu or Christian. Not that Muslims are known for their love and tolerance of Western culture.

I disagree i dont think i've ever heard of a hindu or christian south asian honour killing

[Ishy_Blackburn]

(Original post by krishan369)
I disagree i dont think i've ever heard of a hindu or christian south asian honour killing

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/...cle3297476.ece
http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/11/stor...1163451200.htm

It does happen.

[krishan369]

(Original post by Ishy_Blackburn)
http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/...cle3297476.ece
http://www.hindu.com/2010/07/11/stor...1163451200.htm

It does happen.

Holy crap! do you get hindu or christian south asian honour killings in England?

[Ray Bradbury]

Justice Roderick Evans on sentencing and God, it's about time it was said:

"What was it that brought you two, her parents, the people who had given her life, to the point of killing her?

"You chose to bring up your family in Warrington but although you lived in Warrington your social and cultural attitudes were those of rural Pakistan and it was those which you imposed upon your children."




This is what happens when immigrants are not encouraged to assimilate. Multiculturalism being the only game in town is responsible for them bringing, and hanging on to, the worst parts of their culture lock stock and barrel.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
but is majority indian and pakistani cases which are linked to their culture.

well, no its majority muslim cases - in the uk anyway, not necessarily pakistani, but also afgani, turkish etc.

so national culture that is usually blamed by muslims, cannot in these cases. the common factor is islamic superstitions.

[Tahooper]

(Original post by LiLix)
..... And the funny thing is, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam! Get it right please...

Nothing to do with Islam you say?

Do you think this would have happened if Islam did not exist?

[hughcapet]

(Original post by krishan369)
Holy crap! do you get hindu or christian south asian honour killings in England?

Personally I've never heard of a Hindu or Christian honour killing in a South Asian family in the UK, but I think the culture is still there, though not to the extent as some Muslim families.

I know a white British woman who used to date a British Hindu, but his parents were against the relationship because of the woman's heritage and they pestered and harangued their son until he broke up her. Whether this was because of my friend's ethnicity or the fact that she was a non-Hindu I'm not sure...

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Tahooper)
Nothing to do with Islam you say?

Do you think this would have happened if Islam did not exist?

Yes.

There's nothing in Islam that would allow Honor Killing or anyone to ever even get the idea. In fact, before Islam came, this practice existed (they would bury their daughters alive as they were deemed to be a "shame") and it was Islam that completely nullified it.

It's always to do with culture, and it happens often in Asian countries, especially in places like India, which involves Hindu's and Sikh's.

In truth, if it wasn't for Islam, the situation would've probably been a lot worst.

If you want to see direct honor killings in scripture, then there's nothing more clearer than;

“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”

“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”

And here's a Christian honor case killing - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/23/israel

But no one is going to say this has anything to do with Christianity (despite it being in the bible). With Islam, there's nothing there, rather all evidence points against it, but due to people's Islamophobia, they're quick to blame the religion.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Yes.

There's nothing in Islam that would allow Honor Killing or anyone to ever even get the idea. In fact, before Islam came, this practice existed (they would bury their daughters alive as they were deemed to be a "shame") and it was Islam that completely nullified it.

It's always to do with culture, and it happens often in Asian countries, especially in places like India, which involves Hindu's and Sikh's.

In truth, if it wasn't for Islam, the situation would've probably been a lot worst.

of course , perseys much repeated "burying of daughters" pre－islam for which there has never been any proper record of or statistics for, and whicjh are not attributable to anything we know of . And now we have stonings of adulterers, honour killings and legalised sanctioned wife beatings to thank islam for (as described in hadeeth).

[unclej]

(Original post by Straight up G)
Good. Bastards. Hopefully it will send a message to those in the Asian community who could be capable of doing something like this.

It is good but Asians are not the only people capable of murdering their children.

[sotrulybeautiful]

This is the poem Shfilea wrote before her death It's so sad. I hope her parents get life imprisonment and they rot in jail like the scum they are. If they do come out i hope the Pakistani community ostracises them and treats them like ****. Bloody bastards.

‘Happy Families’ by Shafilea Ahmed

I don’t pretend like we’re the perfect family no more
Desire to live is burning
My stomach is turning
But all they think about is honour
I was like a normal teenage kid
Didn’t ask 2 much
I jus wanted to fit in
But my culture was different
Now I’m sitting here
Playing happy families
Still crying tears
But no we’re a happy family
I have these fears
I wish, I wish, I wish
For a happy family——- oh yeah
I lay in bed hoping the next day would be better
It was just a thought
Because it never happened no
But still I dream of this today yeah hey
I wish my parents would be proud of wot I done
Instead it’s you’ve have bought shame
Or something else lame
I don’t wanna hear this no more
No no no.
I feel trapped

I feel trapped, so stuck I don’t wot 2 do the feeling is mutual, I don’t know how to explain
Im a trapped so trapped (so trapped )
Now u know where I stand, when I fall back I got no where else to land
I don’t know how to say
I’m trapped so trapped I’m trapped wit u.
It was my last year in school, so happy with my friends I got lots to do—-
But came this day when everything changed
I came home it seemed like a normal day
But sumthing wasn’t right——
I wish I coulda changed the event
I shoulda killed myself instead
I’d rather have been dead
Coz now I have a burden on my chest
And no it won’t go away, the guilt, the pain
When I look back on things I coulda changed coulda stop, prevented, exchanged
But i had to turn out this way (so trapped)
Now I’m sitting on my window bay
Looking at the rain——
Drowning sorrow and pain
Will this ever go away——
I feel trapped so trapped, I’m trapped
I’m trapped, so trapped I’m trapped
(I don’t know wot do) I feel trapped.
But my family ignored.”

[sotrulybeautiful]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Yes.

There's nothing in Islam that would allow Honor Killing or anyone to ever even get the idea. In fact, before Islam came, this practice existed (they would bury their daughters alive as they were deemed to be a "shame") and it was Islam that completely nullified it.

It's always to do with culture, and it happens often in Asian countries, especially in places like India, which involves Hindu's and Sikh's.

In truth, if it wasn't for Islam, the situation would've probably been a lot worst.

If you want to see direct honor killings in scripture, then there's nothing more clearer than;

“And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)”

“For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)”

And here's a Christian honor case killing - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/23/israel

But no one is going to say this has anything to do with Christianity (despite it being in the bible). With Islam, there's nothing there, rather all evidence points against it, but due to people's Islamophobia, they're quick to blame the religion.

Why are you dragging hindus and christians into it. Stuff goes on in taht culture as well and im not saying this is Islamic but why do you always drag them in. Honour killings in the west are not dominated by Indian, Hindu or Christians.
Europeans even did all that like infanticides, dowry murders and honour killings in the past but that's not the focus of this topic. This topic is for condolences for a girl who died of cruelty. It is not a place for religious debate. That can go in the religion thread.
Many people would say even without religion pakistani culture is not completely similar to indian culture. you don't see many Indian Muslims doing honour killings.

[Azaro]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
were did your christian ass get that statics from, do you have any prove or are you like the other 98% of christians who make up stitistics

atheist ass. http://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwid...honor-killings