[Kibalchich]

(Original post by HARRY PUTAH)
Facts?

The BBC states it as an insult.

Private schools are funded by those who want the best, the states inability to create a worthwhile structure that allows children to expand on their hopes,d reams and skills is non-existent.

At least Britain has these privately educated athletes, if it was up to a lot of idiots this country seems to have produced then we would be rock bottom in everything.

Thank god for those who were helped to excel.

How has the BBC stated it as an insult?

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by billydisco)
You tell me which part of national statistics collects it and i will go and get it.

You made an assertion, you back it up. Off you pop.

[billydisco]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
You made an assertion, you back it up. Off you pop.

I did back it up- I told you to open your door. The evidence is in life....

Must be really sad having to reply with "evidence?" when you know what I say is correct. Otherwise you would have refuted the point with a proper reply. As you know there isn't one, you rely on "evidence?", i'm sure lawyers use the same tactic when they're clutching too....

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by billydisco)
I did back it up- I told you to open your door. The evidence is in life....

Must be really sad having to reply with "evidence?" when you know what I say is correct. Otherwise you would have refuted the point with a proper reply. As you know there isn't one, you rely on "evidence?", i'm sure lawyers use the same tactic when they're clutching too....

No actual evidence then.

[billydisco]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
You made an assertion, you back it up. Off you pop.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...hael-Gove.html

In a speech, he said public schools were already significantly over-represented in politics, the judiciary, banking and FTSE 100 boardrooms.
But Mr Gove said there was also evidence of the creeping influence of independent education on industries dominated by young adults in their late teens and 20s – many of whom have only just left school.

He told how growing numbers of “new young stars all have old school ties”, citing sport, acting, comedy, music and the media as hotbeds of former private school pupils.

Sorry- you've gone quiet?

[ThatGuyPsy]

(Original post by billydisco)
I did back it up- I told you to open your door. The evidence is in life....

Must be really sad having to reply with "evidence?" when you know what I say is correct. Otherwise you would have refuted the point with a proper reply. As you know there isn't one, you rely on "evidence?", i'm sure lawyers use the same tactic when they're clutching too....

I think you may be delusional.

[internetguru]

It is because rich pushy parents make their young children compete in these sports. My parents didn't push me to do any sports and as such I never took part in any.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by billydisco)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...hael-Gove.html



Sorry- you've gone quiet?

You made a couple of assertions.

Its obvious that private school pupils succeed at anything more than state pupils (less so Grammars) because they thrive in a competitive environment!

You're asserting that the dominance of private school educated people in life is due to the competitive environment. There are other explanations, such as social capital, social transmission of privilidge etc. I'm asking you for evidence of your assertion that it is down to "a competitive environment".

Off you go.

[billydisco]

(Original post by ThatGuyPsy)
I think you may be delusional.

So because I don't like little weeds who won't accept when they're beaten by coming out with the classic "evidence?" when they know no evidence is collected for such a statement- that makes me delusional?

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by billydisco)
So because I don't like little weeds who won't accept when they're beaten by coming out with the classic "evidence?" when they know no evidence is collected for such a statement- that makes me delusional?

"little weeds"? Coming from a geeky kid, this is hilarious.

[billydisco]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
I'm asking you for evidence of your assertion that it is down to "a competitive environment".

You are now- because I showed you what you didn't want to see.....

Amazing you only just mentioned now that it was the competitive part you wanted evidence for, isn't it?

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by billydisco)
You are now- because I showed you what you didn't want to see.....

Amazing you only just mentioned now that it was the competitive part you wanted evidence for, isn't it?

Well?

[ThatGuyPsy]

(Original post by billydisco)
So because I don't like little weeds who won't accept when they're beaten by coming out with the classic "evidence?" when they know no evidence is collected for such a statement- that makes me delusional?

Why do you hold evidence in such a bad light? Surely it is the only way in which a person can support their views when in a debating situation?

[billydisco]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
"little weeds"? Coming from a geeky kid, this is hilarious.

If i'm such a geek i'm sure you wont have a problem sending me your personal details in a pm....

[billydisco]

(Original post by ThatGuyPsy)
Why do you hold evidence in such a bad light? Surely it is the only way in which a person can support their views when in a debating situation?

Some things evidence doesn't exist/get collected. Plus if you look hard enough you can find statistical evidence to prove anything- which makes statistical evidence completely pointless.

[Sean9001]

(Original post by HARRY PUTAH)
Facts?

The BBC states it as an insult.

Private schools are funded by those who want the best, the states inability to create a worthwhile structure that allows children to expand on their hopes,d reams and skills is non-existent.

At least Britain has these privately educated athletes, if it was up to a lot of idiots this country seems to have produced then we would be rock bottom in everything.

Thank god for those who were helped to excel.

I'd rather be the rock bottom of everything, and give young athletes the chance to perform irrespective of whether their parents own mortgages, shares and can afford a private education.

Note: we wouldn't be the rock bottom of everything. Sporting promise isn't the reserve of those who go to private schools. The ability to spot, and initiative to develop it seems to be.

If on a level playing field, private school pupils are the best athletes, select them for the squads. Don't give state school pupils a leg up. Just give them an equal opportunity.

[wilko1991]

(Original post by billydisco)
So why do private pupils dominate drama, music, business, government, sport (excluding football)?

Nothing to do with the competitive environment? Its also the facilities provided but private schools place a lot of emphasis on a rounded individual.

Is it not because of connections? I'm sure it's a lot easier to get a job in drama, business or government when all you need is a phone call from someone your parents. Is music dominated by private school folk anyway?

Also the other reason these areas are dominated by private pupils is because they will be the sons and daughter of lawyers, bankers, doctors etc. so will be brought up in a clever household and just be quite clever. I'm sure if the 7% of people who go to private schools was totally representative of society today they'd have less of a strangle hold on all the jobs.

Edit: Also meant to add why do you seem to be gloating that folk from private schools get the better jobs? Are you proud to live in an unequal society?

[Silkysam]

(Original post by billydisco)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...hael-Gove.html



Sorry- you've gone quiet?

Lol, your evidence doesn't back up your claim what so ever.

The person asked if it was obvious to this:

Its obvious that private school pupils succeed at anything more than state pupils (less so Grammars) because they thrive in a competitive environment!

All you've done is show that the people from public schools are in fact over representive in a lot of area's of society, but haven't proven that it is because of a competitive environment.

I could just as easily make an unsubtantiated claim, such as the reason being due to an old boy's network (but as I have no evidence won't make this claim and am only using it as an example).

Maybe you should try again with finding your evidence and this time make sure it actually supports the point the person disputed.

Edit: I need to learn to type quicker beaten by Kialchich with the exact same point

[ThatGuyPsy]

(Original post by billydisco)
If i'm such a geek i'm sure you wont have a problem sending me your personal details in a pm....

And your point about evidence is complete nonsense. You are essentially claiming that evidence and facts are meaningless in a debate.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by billydisco)
If i'm such a geek i'm sure you wont have a problem sending me your personal details in a pm....

You're offering me out over the internet? Oh the hilarity!