[prog2djent]

(Original post by MonkeyMan2009)
don't saudi, boko, shabaab all share the same brand of islam (wahabbism)?

No, Wahaabism is confined to Saudi Arabia and some of the MB in the Arabian Penin.

Boko and Shabaab are the same thing in different countries, they call for sharia law, and violent, offensive Jihad against any Non-muslim, and muslims who aren't like them are concidered apostates. ( Boko and Shabaab are salafi-talafi, or as they classify themselves, just pure sunni muslims, or go further, and just muslim, since they don't make the Shia-Sunni lable distinction, since Shia aren't muslim according to them, they are heretic-apostates to be killed) .

Wahaabism is a man-made law mixed with the shariah in all areas, civil, economic and social.

I used to be confused about all these god damn denominations and sects, schools of though ... as well. Its easy to just think of Salafists and Wahaabi's are ultra-conservative zeolots, like their fundamentalist American counterparts, apart from the fact the Former actually kill people and the latter have power over a country, and the American Christian-right are just ridiculed and are of no physical harm, only to the brain hahahaha

[kka25]

I'm reading this post; owh, and this part:

(Original post by Cressida)
I'm posting from my phone, pleased excuse all the grammar fails and ridiculous auto cataract

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by prog2djent)
No, Wahaabism is confined to Saudi Arabia and some of the MB in the Arabian Penin.

Boko and Shabaab are the same thing in different countries, they call for sharia law, and violent, offensive Jihad against any Non-muslim, and muslims who aren't like them are concidered apostates. ( Boko and Shabaab are salafi-talafi, or as they classify themselves, just pure sunni muslims, or go further, and just muslim, since they don't make the Shia-Sunni lable distinction, since Shia aren't muslim according to them, they are heretic-apostates to be killed) .

Wahaabism is a man-made law mixed with the shariah in all areas, civil, economic and social.

it is not ..... their petrol money has exported this brand of islam across the world, from pakistan to britain. This is where the whole militant, extermist islam comes from. The beliefs of boko,shabaab are not shared by muslims across the globe?

[prog2djent]

(Original post by MonkeyMan2009)
it is not ..... their petrol money has exported this brand of islam across the world, from pakistan to britain. This is where the whole militant, extermist islam comes from. The beliefs of boko,shabaab are not shared by muslims across the globe?

The sort of Islam that Saud's have exported, the monarchy, the rich oil arabs who aren't really practicing Muslims, is the financial support of these groups, and that is about it. They are strategic with it though, they support them when it is anything to do with Iran, Russia, China and oil in the Gulf/Mid east, but they don't financially support things against Israel or the US, they have a major crackdown on terrorists opposed to the US, Israel, and gulf monarchies in the region. This is why the leaders of these countries are hated by Salafi groups, Jihadists, and even their conservative sunni populations who call for Shariah in the street, in the mosque, in protest, because the arab monarchies still maintain man made, and (to a tiny extent) secular laws and government policies.

The sort of extremism in Pakistan stems from the Deobandi school of thought, though there are foreign Salafi-Jihadists from the Afghan border, aswell as several central asian countries, the Uzbeck Mujahid is notorious, and I think there have been reports of the Caucus (southern Russia republics, Chechyna, Dagestan and the other 4 I forget) Mujahid groups in Pakistan.

You are right that the ideas of boko and shabaab are not shared exactly accross the gloab, even those two groups are thousands of miles apart, but the general cover term of Salafi-Jihadism can be applied to tens, or hundreds of these groups, whether it be themsleves, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, Jamaat in Indionesia and several Jamaat splinter groups in South West Asia, or the tens of Mujahideen groups accross central, western and "near-east" asia, or North Africa (mahgreb Al-qaeda or Mujahid)

The sheer amount of groups, not all of it can be supported by petrol money.

A prime example of what I mentioned earlier, that Sauds will fund what they see as being in their, and American (who also fund some groups) interests, and leave, or crack down on others, ... is Syria. Its pretty well obvious Saudi money is supporting Jihad groups in Syria, and the US is even training, or at the very least, supporting and supplying these groups, because Syria is a big strategic block with regards to the path to Iran, and the Israel Scenario (Sryia haven't signed the peace treaty, other arab and African countries have, and Syria actively support Hezbollah, the PLO, other palestinian resistance groups against syria, have funded them, supplied money/traning/weapons etc etc, and the fact they are Iran's only Ally, aside from Hezbollah and Shia twelvers in the region).

Edit: Jammat is supposed to be Jamaah, part of Jemaah Islamiyah.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Saudi Arabia barely has a culture, and is probably the most religiously involved society in the world.

And look at it.

Funny though, groups that you would classify as involving culture with the religion giving the appearence of extremism, try to reject culture and only focus on the religious aspect, look at Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab.

this thread is not for you islam bashing so please take your views elsewhere

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by prog2djent)
The sort of Islam that Saud's have exported, the monarchy, the rich oil arabs who aren't really practicing Muslims, is the financial support of these groups, and that is about it. They are strategic with it though, they support them when it is anything to do with Iran, Russia, China and oil in the Gulf/Mid east, but they don't financially support things against Israel or the US, they have a major crackdown on terrorists opposed to the US, Israel, and gulf monarchies in the region. This is why the leaders of these countries are hated by Salafi groups, Jihadists, and even their conservative sunni populations who call for Shariah in the street, in the mosque, in protest, because the arab monarchies still maintain man made, and (to a tiny extent) secular laws and government policies.

The sort of extremism in Pakistan stems from the Deobandi school of thought, though there are foreign Salafi-Jihadists from the Afghan border, aswell as several central asian countries, the Uzbeck Mujahid is notorious, and I think there have been reports of the Caucus (southern Russia republics, Chechyna, Dagestan and the other 4 I forget) Mujahid groups in Pakistan.

You are right that the ideas of boko and shabaab are not shared exactly accross the gloab, even those two groups are thousands of miles apart, but the general cover term of Salafi-Jihadism can be applied to tens, or hundreds of these groups, whether it be themsleves, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, Jamaat in Indionesia and several Jamaat splinter groups in South West Asia, or the tens of Mujahideen groups accross central, western and "near-east" asia, or North Africa (mahgreb Al-qaeda or Mujahid)

The sheer amount of groups, not all of it can be supported by petrol money.

A prime example of what I mentioned earlier, that Sauds will fund what they see as being in their, and American (who also fund some groups) interests, and leave, or crack down on others, ... is Syria. Its pretty well obvious Saudi money is supporting Jihad groups in Syria, and the US is even training, or at the very least, supporting and supplying these groups, because Syria is a big strategic block with regards to the path to Iran, and the Israel Scenario (Sryia haven't signed the peace treaty, other arab and African countries have, and Syria actively support Hezbollah, the PLO, other palestinian resistance groups against syria, have funded them, supplied money/traning/weapons etc etc, and the fact they are Iran's only Ally, aside from Hezbollah and Shia twelvers in the region).

Edit: Jammat is supposed to be Jamaah, part of Jemaah Islamiyah.

the whole geo-politics aside, the actual theological content of wahabbism, deobandism and "british islam" (islam in britain) - what are the main similarities and differences? What school of thought do the majority of british muslims follow (being pakistani).

[prog2djent]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
this thread is not for you islam bashing so please take your views elsewhere

Ironically I'm actually religion bashing and not culture bashing, I make the distinction, as opposed to some of TSR's secular anti-Islam half-wits, who can't grasp that some actions are culture related, over religious.

Anyway, I'm not leaving beacuse what I have to say, have said, or will potentially say will be relavent, and it looks like you don't like it, so you are trying to silence me, typical outlook from someone whose culture doesn't understand free speach of criticism of religion.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Ironically I'm actually religion bashing and not culture bashing, I make the distinction, as opposed to some of TSR's secular anti-Islam half-wits, who can't grasp that some actions are culture related, over religious.

Anyway, I'm not leaving beacuse what I have to say, have said, or will potentially say will be relavent, and it looks like you don't like it, so you are trying to silence me, typical outlook from someone whose culture doesn't understand free speach of criticism of religion.

at least i have a culture

[navarre]

I'm the opposite- I love my culture but hate any forms of religion.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
at least i have a culture

Haha, and oddity.

According to your apologist and appeasing friends from the suicidal-antifa left, no-one has a culture.

Anyway, our culture is clearly superior than whatever one you belong to, I think mine is better and you think yours is, but lets look at the minorities, and see who's culture is better, or lets look at international statistics for anything, happiness, safety, freedom, wealth, personal wealth, speech, equality and protection or rights, and see who's culture is better.

Lets say a happy, well fed, physically and mentally healthy lesbian who has made lots of money from her business, selling books criticising religion, who uses that money to help build centres for minority support, and campaigning for even more rights .... lets see which culture they come from, which they thrive in, and which they are killed in the street in by an angry mob.

Bro.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by MonkeyMan2009)
the whole geo-politics aside, the actual theological content of wahabbism, deobandism and "british islam" (islam in britain) - what are the main similarities and differences? What school of thought do the majority of british muslims follow (being pakistani).

Hanafi-deobandi.

Though I should point out that just because you follow the deobandi school, or are a salafi, doesn't mean you are a jihadist ****, but there is more chance, or disporportionately, they are much more conservative, or even violent then other denominations, say, Sufi's in Turkey, Central Africa or the far east, Zaidi's in Oman and South Saudi, Ibadhi/Shia's in Oman, or even other schools witihn sunni islam, Maliki's or Shafi'is across Africa and the far east.

[MonkeyMan2009]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Hanafi-deobandi.

Though I should point out that just because you follow the deobandi school, or are a salafi, doesn't mean you are a jihadist ****, but there is more chance, or disporportionately, they are much more conservative, or even violent then other denominations, say, Sufi's in Turkey, Central Africa or the far east, Zaidi's in Oman and South Saudi, Ibadhi/Shia's in Oman, or even other schools witihn sunni islam, Maliki's or Shafi'is across Africa and the far east.

indeed... it is the conservatism which leads to views which people like the edl and others in the mainstream cannot stand and would strive to prevent such views ever spreading across britain and europe.

[kashim91]

(Original post by CommitmentQ)
Hi

I am a muslim and i do really like my religion (Islam).
However I really do not like my culture and I feel that culture is something which makes my religion look really bad when there 2 seperate things.

Does anyone else feel the same about our culture?
What are you're views on it?

(When i say culture i mainly mean the pakistani culture, cause im pakistani and I really hate my culture so much beyond belief.)

I'm totally with you, I'm bengali and I hate everything about being bengali, everything from being taught Qur'an without tajweed to the abundance of ignorant people in the bengali community. We find that culture has always managed to slither its way in. If we take the first muezzin Bilal(RadiAllahutalan), he was a black slave who was freed and empowered, but I doubt if in these days he'd make it into the committee of Bengali or Pakistani or Asian run mosque. The Ju'ma'ah khutbahs are not done in English, most of the imams can't speak English and many of the committee members are involved in haraam activities.

[sophia_]

(Original post by CommitmentQ)
Hi

I am a muslim and i do really like my religion (Islam).
However I really do not like my culture and I feel that culture is something which makes my religion look really bad when there 2 seperate things.

Does anyone else feel the same about our culture?
What are you're views on it?

(When i say culture i mainly mean the pakistani culture, cause im pakistani and I really hate my culture so much beyond belief.)

Absolutely agree.

Massive difference between culture and religion.

It's because of the people who mix the two misconceptions about Islam arise.