[Classical Liberal]

I was reading something today about how women access guys. And something that massively jumped up a guys attractiveness was if he was married or in a relationship.

Usually people explain this phenomena by arguing people want what they cannot have. However I think it is all to do incomplete information. A woman does not know whether a guy who is a stranger is a wierdo. However if a guy has a girlfriend then the guy is probably not a wierdo, because if he was a wierdo, the girl would not be hanging out with him.

With this in mind. What do you think of this strategy for approaching gals?

Go out with a really hot woman with you. A good way to do this is might be just to friendzone yourself deliberately with a really hot woman who was probably out of your league anyway. Any good looking girl will probably do the job though.

Get your wing woman to obviously flirt (not drunk girl flirting, more classly and very intimate, like her standing behind you with her hand running down from your neck to your crotch slowly) with you. Whilst she is doing this you approach another woman. Firstly, the woman you are approaching will shove you up the rankings in terms of attractiveness, because if a hot woman is all over you, you must be pretty ****ing awesome. And secondly, you are ignoring the hot woman in favour of the woman you are approaching. The woman you are approaching is likely to feel pretty ****ing flattered that you have decided to approach her instead of going with this hot woman.

Anyway, I have never actually seen this idea used in practice. Because when a hot girl has been all over a guy, the guy invariably gets with her rather than using her as an experiment.

This is a pretty devious strategy (I am not at all in to do these things in reality, because I am not desperate, I just like games/strategy) however I have a feeling it should work really well. The only caveat I can think of is if the woman you are approaching is smart and realises something wierd is going on. In which case, you could go with a less hot woman to make the situation look less suspicious. Or better yet, you could have a funny conversation about the whole strategy and flatter her ego by telling her she is super smart.

Has anybody actually used this strategy before, I would be interested to hear the results if you have.

[I have a question]

Just talk to a girl if you like her, bloody hell. All this talk of "strategy" overcomplicates a simple situation.

[pinkangelgirl]

when i go out with my guy mate he never pulls any girls.

So I try and piss him off by getting with girls myself.

To be honest, it massively annoys me when he just stands around and expects girls to fall in his lap.

[Kazbian]

Haha, that was an amusing read. Most girls would find it weird if a guy was talking to them whilst having another woman run her hand from his neck to his crotch.

I think you're better off without the strategy.

[Studentus-anonymous]

I just talk to girls I like tbf.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by pinkangelgirl)
when i go out with my guy mate he never pulls any girls.

So I try and piss him off by getting with girls myself.

To be honest, it massively annoys me when he just stands around and expects girls to fall in his lap.

Do you help him?

If you don't just try it, and report back to me. I am just curious as to the effect of having a pretty girl around you as a signalling mechanism.

[TheHansa]

In my experience (experience of watching others ), this is true and girls do hate creepy.

How would it work though, what sort of girl hits on you whilst another is feeling you up?

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
I just talk to girls I like tbf.

The whole point is to be able to talk to the girl.

However before you even talk, you present a certain image of yourself. You make an impression before you even open your mouth. The clothes you wear. The hair you have. Your physique. Your face.

And most importantly, your company.

If you are in club roaming around on your own, you are creepy. If you are in a club with a big groups of lads, you are intimidating. If you are with a pretty girl who is flirting with you..................

It is all a signalling game. And from the perspective of an economist, it is really interesting.

This is not to do with me trying to get girls or whatever. This is really just academic interest more than anything.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by TheHansa)
In my experience (experience of watching others ), this is true and girls do hate creepy.

How would it work though, what sort of girl hits on you whilst another is feeling you up?

I am sure there are lots of permutations on the basic strategy of uing a flirty wing girl but here is one that comes to mind.

The girl is at the bar. You go up to her and ask what her favourite drink is (Don't ask her if she wants a drink, she might not actually want any more alcohol). Then you go and buy her the drink. At this point the wing woman comes in. She explicitly flirts physically with you and makes sure the girl can see this. You clearly stop your wing girl touching you. And then politely tell her to go away.

This rejection makes you look like a nice guy who is not a jerk. And it also makes you look really desirable, because why else would a hot girl be all over you? You must be something special. Perhaps you are amazing in bed? Perhaps you are a really great guy? Whatever it is, it is bound to be good.

At this point the girl you are approaching is likely to be very confused (as this situation never seems to occur) but also flattered.

You can then tell the girl you are approaching that you think your wing girl fancies you. The girl will very likely respond with "yeah I noticed". Then you can say "well, she is a bit of a stunner. But I'd rather chill with you than get with her, do you think I am being silly?"

That should be enough to get you going. From there, just be yourself

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by I have a question)
Just talk to a girl if you like her, bloody hell. All this talk of "strategy" overcomplicates a simple situation.

If you just go up to a stranger and just start talking, without any shared experience, you are invariably percieved as a wierdo.

When somebody has just come up to you and just started talking to you when you are not pissed, do you feel a bit awkward.

Yes you do.


That is why an approach strategy is so important. You have to find some kind of point of communication to avoid being labelled a wierdo.

Once you have broken the ice, then yes, just be yourself. But you have to break the ice in a certain way.

[Neomaster121]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
If you just go up to a stranger and just start talking, without any shared experience, you are invariably percieved as a wierdo.

When somebody has just come up to you and just started talking to you when you are not pissed, do you feel a bit awkward.

Yes you do.


That is why an approach strategy is so important. You have to find some kind of point of communication to avoid being labelled a wierdo.

Once you have broken the ice, then yes, just be yourself. But you have to break the ice in a certain way.

ironic really

a person who just goes up to someone they like and chat is weird
but a person who makes strategies to do the same thing isn't weird

[Dark Horse]

I think just arriving with her and being seen with her is enough. She doesn't need to be all over you and feeling your crotch, lol.

[I have a question]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
If you just go up to a stranger and just start talking, without any shared experience, you are invariably percieved as a wierdo.

When somebody has just come up to you and just started talking to you when you are not pissed, do you feel a bit awkward.

Yes you do.


That is why an approach strategy is so important. You have to find some kind of point of communication to avoid being labelled a wierdo.

Once you have broken the ice, then yes, just be yourself. But you have to break the ice in a certain way.

I never knew you could read my mind and know how I am feeling or actions I would take. No when someone randomly talks to me I'm more than happy to have a conversation with them - at least I know I'm approachable ... but anyway.

The whole wierdo thing is not necessarily true; many a time have I gone up to a girl as a "stranger" and begun a conversation with her and got to know her... albeit it in certain settings. You wouldn't go and talk to girl who is walking by herself in an alley at night.

Just stop over thinking the whole thing.
Basics = See female you like, talk to female. If she doesn't seem comfortable with your advances or just avoids you outright, you brush of your shoulder and move on.

I think you and I need to go out sometime...

[KentaKobashi]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
If you just go up to a stranger and just start talking, without any shared experience, you are invariably percieved as a wierdo.
When somebody has just come up to you and just started talking to you when you are not pissed, do you feel a bit awkward.

Yes you do.


That is why an approach strategy is so important. You have to find some kind of point of communication to avoid being labelled a wierdo.

Once you have broken the ice, then yes, just be yourself. But you have to break the ice in a certain way.

Wasn't the whole point of this thread was to ask people what they thought? Whenever you make threads you ask questions, but whenever someone tells you something you don't like, like a harsh truth, you immediately go on the attack, as if you are right and everyone else is wrong.

It is incredibly easy to talk to women, but you, like so many awkward teens put women on the pedestal.

• Look reasonably attractive (nice skin, good physique, confident, good haircut). It doesn't matter who you are, you have to look good. It isn't shallow to look good and want others to look good.
• Be confident. If you know you have what it takes, then it's half the battle won.
• Be funny. Pretty obvious, a women, nay, anyone who wants to be with anyone undoubtedly wants to be around with someone who is fun.
• Be yourself.

You are looking for a general rule that doesn't exist. There is no secret key to unlocking how to talk to women. You are too self-concious, perhaps because of your skin. Just bloody talk to them, they aren't magical creatures. Worst case scenario, they reject you and maybe even have a giggle at your expense. After that, they probably won't even think about you. Just brush it off and move on.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by KentaKobashi)
Wasn't the whole point of this thread was to ask people what they thought? Whenever you make threads you ask questions, but whenever someone tells you something you don't like, like a harsh truth, you immediately go on the attack, as if you are right and everyone else is wrong.

No. Nobody has any evidence. What I really wanted was something along these lines.

"Yeah. I tried this. Does not work. X seemed to be the problem."

or

"It definitely works. Tried it lots of times"

It is incredibly easy to talk to women, but you, like so many awkward teens put women on the pedestal.

Sometimes it is not easy. It depends largely on the context.

Guys who say they can just go up to any woman and start talking and not be creepy, are full of ****.

You are looking for a general rule that doesn't exist. There is no secret key to unlocking how to talk to women. You are too self-concious, perhaps because of your skin. Just bloody talk to them, they aren't magical creatures. Worst case scenario, they reject you and maybe even have a giggle at your expense. After that, they probably won't even think about you. Just brush it off and move on.

This is not about me. I have no interest in picking up girls at clubs personally. I am just interested in the dynamics of it. I am just a nerd.

[KentaKobashi]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
What I really wanted was something along these lines.

"It definitely works. Tried it lots of times"

Fine then. Coming up with a strategy is a load of rubbish. In my experience, planning ahead and strategising doesn't work. You imagine how it will go down but in actuality it rarely, if ever, goes the way you dream of it going down.

I go with the flow, talk to them, see what happens and hope for the best and it has worked a lot more than having a "strategy." (This is the part where you quote my post for being wrong or nonsense for no legitimate reason despite 90% of people in this thread and the majority of anyone who has been with a woman agreeing with me)

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
This is not about me. I have no interest in picking up girls at clubs personally. I am just interested in the dynamics of it. I am just a nerd.

That's creepy. Just talk to them and clap dem cheeks.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
I think just arriving with her and being seen with her is enough. She doesn't need to be all over you and feeling your crotch, lol.

Do you think that would help though?

You don't need a Aston Martin, but if ones going, might as well take it right?

[Dark Horse]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
Do you think that would help though?

You don't need a Aston Martin, but if ones going, might as well take it right?

Well no tbh it sounds like it would be quite awkward. But even if it did...there's a case of a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush at play here.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by KentaKobashi)
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Fine then. Coming up with a strategy is a load of rubbish. In my experience, planning ahead and strategising doesn't work. You imagine how it will go down but in actuality it rarely, if ever, goes the way you dream of it going down.

So let me get this straight.

You think, have a hot girl at your side, is counter productive?

I totally agree on developing like complex plans and whatever. It is a bit like when you are a noob playing chess. You see a way to win 4 moves and you try to execute the plan. And then your opponent throws a spanner in the works, ****s up your plan, and then pwns you because you forget to keep any defensive structure.

However, just like chess there are certain ways to your rig things up in your favour. In chess for example being able to cover the central squares of the board is very powerful . Somewhat like looking good and have a good dress sense is for approaching girls.

A really great chess player can be flexible and respond to how things change, rather than having a rigid plan. And the same can be said for somebody who is good with girls. They "go with the flow" because they know how to deal with whatever girls throw at them.

My point is that having a wing girl might be a useful tool to have to get you going. It is a bit like sending out your knights at the start of a chess game.


You could use the argument the other way around. There are certain things you do not do. They are certain strategies you do not use. You do not go up to a girl with a bunch of mates and surrond her, then start talking to her. Just like you do not pin your king behind a row of pawns.

If you say you do not have any strategies, you are in denial.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by Dark Horse)
Well no tbh it sounds like it would be quite awkward. But even if it did...there's a case of a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush at play here.

Your wing girl is just your friend though. She is not interested in you. She just wants to help you out.

I can definitely see the awkwardness problem though with a more sophisticated approach.