How do you guys acquire your music?
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View Poll Results: Where do you guys get your music from?
CDs 40 33.33% iTunes 33 27.50% Torrents 46 38.33% Limewire/MP3 Rocket etc 26 21.67%
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?It's not an easy career choice. To play a musical instrument competently takes years of practise and diligence. A lot of careers take a lot less time to train for and are easier, excluding obviously the rather academic vocations where you make big money rather than enough to support yourself.(Original post by Astronomical)
That's the risk of going for a relatively easy career choice. If you "make it" it's the easiest life in the world, if not, it's a struggle, just as with anything else.
Frankly, it's not the consumer's problem.
Why shouldn't it be the consumers problem? If someone provides a service to you, you pay them for it. Just because this service comes as entertainment rather than a necessity it doesn't really make a difference. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?I would think most people who actually care about other people being able to sustain themselves would care.(Original post by im so academic)
Who gives a ****? Besides, if they fail to produce any more music, there are always going to be more artists out there.
Yes there might be more artists but there are a hell of a lot of unique artists who others don't sound like,or have difficulty emulating. You seem to think music as a renewable source, when it isn't. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?Is the fact that you can preview pretty much any music in the world on youtube not enough?(Original post by Its A Catch 22)
Quite frankly, the reason they lose out is their own greedy business model. Let's be realistic here, it's ridiculous for minor label/independent artists to sell their music in the same way as big massive artists, for the simple fact that they're not big massive artists. Business models in the music industry are not (or at least, should not) be one size fits all. If these same minor label/indie artists gave away their music for free, and instead relied on the profit from youtube/live shows/merchandise/etc. they would gain a lot more exposure, and consequently become bigger name artists. I'm much more likely to post the link of a good free album on a bands website to my facebook, than I am to post a link to a torrent or iTunes.
The problem is the way the music industry conducts itself, not the people downloading music illegally.
Musicians put the same amount of effort into what they do whether they are big or small, (and probably more if they are small, Rihanna has never written any of her songs only "co written a few" and plays no instruments) -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?It is when compared to being a cleaner, or a bar tender, or other low-income jobs.(Original post by metalthrashin'mad)
It's not an easy career choice. To play a musical instrument competently takes years of practise and diligence. A lot of careers take a lot less time to train for and are easier, excluding obviously the rather academic vocations where you make big money rather than enough to support yourself.
Why shouldn't it be the consumers problem? If someone provides a service to you, you pay them for it. Just because this service comes as entertainment rather than a necessity it doesn't really make a difference.
You don't even need to be able to play an instrument or even sing to make a CD anymore, you can do everything digitally. If a musician wants to make money they should do it through concerts, not by selling their music. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?It practically is renewable if you mean it in the general sense of "there will always be music". Which is true. There has been music since the birth of humanity and will so until the end of humanity.(Original post by metalthrashin'mad)
I would think most people who actually care about other people being able to sustain themselves would care.
Yes there might be more artists but there are a hell of a lot of unique artists who others don't sound like,or have difficulty emulating. You seem to think music as a renewable source, when it isn't.
If you want to pay for your music, so be it. I won't and many others won't either.
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?Whats your reasoning for thinking that they should make money through concerts and not their music. Why is one worthy of money and one not?(Original post by Astronomical)
It is when compared to being a cleaner, or a bar tender, or other low-income jobs.
You don't even need to be able to play an instrument or even sing to make a CD anymore, you can do everything digitally. If a musician wants to make money they should do it through concerts, not by selling their music.
Also low income jobs are never normally that hard. **** jobs yes, but cleaning is not DIFFICULT, it's just ****, same with bartending, and same with me working in a kitchen on minimum wage. The reason minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs is because pretty much anyone CAN do them.
Even if you do make it digitally you still have to learn to use things like software. You can have a naturally gifted voice (and somehow not need singing lessons) and still have to learn how to produce it if you want to go down that route.Last edited by metalthrashin'mad; 06-08-2012 at 11:21. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?Well I guess all current musicians should just stop then if there is already music. What is the point in making more, the point of being unique, the point of doing something different, the point in trying to make a living out of doing something they like?(Original post by im so academic)
It practically is renewable if you mean it in the general sense of "there will always be music". Which is true. There has been music since the birth of humanity and will so until the end of humanity.
If you want to pay for your music, so be it. I won't and many others won't either.
How about artists supporting themselves?
Why should artists not support themselves through their art? You wouldn't tell a different professional to support themselves by other means. "Dr.Hughes, e don't think we should pay you for your services, find a different way to support yourself." -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?But they won't stop even with my illegal downloading.(Original post by metalthrashin'mad)
Well I guess all current musicians should just stop then if there is already music. What is the point in making more, the point of being unique, the point of doing something different, the point in trying to make a living out of doing something they like?
Why should artists not support themselves through their art? You wouldn't tell a different professional to support themselves by other means. "Dr.Hughes, e don't think we should pay you for your services, find a different way to support yourself."
Many do support themselves through their art, but if their music isn't profitable then tough. It's the reason why many record companies cannot sign up everyone with unique talent. Actually I would tell a different professional to support themselves through other means. Many, MANY artists have worked hours to pay for their lifestyle and to fund that art. That's what everyone should aspire to. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?I have to say that is the best response you have given so far in the thread.(Original post by im so academic)
But they won't stop even with my illegal downloading.
Many do support themselves through their art, but if their music isn't profitable then tough. It's the reason why many record companies cannot sign up everyone with unique talent. Actually I would tell a different professional to support themselves through other means. Many, MANY artists have worked hours to pay for their lifestyle and to fund that art. That's what everyone should aspire to.
It's true,a lot of the time if artists really want to make their music then they will try to fund themselves and find a way. But then again once they have found a way to produce the music, if people want to listen to it, then they should be expected to pay something. Personally I think it would be better to give money directly to the artist, but that's not how the music industry works unfortunately, record labels seem to be a bit of a necessary evil to get big. It's why I will try to buy music at their shows or webstores if I can, they get more of the money from it.
If I made music for myself and no one listened to it, or it had a small cult following then perfectly fine. But if I got really famous and everyone was listening to it, then I would feel cheated after putting in time and money and effort for people not to pay for it.
I know I'm not going to change your mind about paying for music, I just think it's quite sad that so many people are willing to rip off the artists who's music they supposedly love, just because there is an easy way not to pay. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?Any artist that is supposedly famous would be rich and people would be paying for it anyway. I doubt they would care if a few individuals don't pay. In fact, many artists encourage illegal downloading, if it broadens their fan base. It was actually through illegal downloading that I bought some CDs for myself.(Original post by metalthrashin'mad)
I have to say that is the best response you have given so far in the thread.
It's true,a lot of the time if artists really want to make their music then they will try to fund themselves and find a way. But then again once they have found a way to produce the music, if people want to listen to it, then they should be expected to pay something. Personally I think it would be better to give money directly to the artist, but that's not how the music industry works unfortunately, record labels seem to be a bit of a necessary evil to get big. It's why I will try to buy music at their shows or webstores if I can, they get more of the money from it.
If I made music for myself and no one listened to it, or it had a small cult following then perfectly fine. But if I got really famous and everyone was listening to it, then I would feel cheated after putting in time and money and effort for people not to pay for it.
I know I'm not going to change your mind about paying for music, I just think it's quite sad that so many people are willing to rip off the artists who's music they supposedly love, just because there is an easy way not to pay.
If they were dedicated artists, they would care about making music. End of. As long as there is money supporting them, through one way or not, I think only that should matter if they were a genuine music artist. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?Same here. I think illegal downloading is fine, if artists get some money back in the long run. Whether through sales, merch, gigs, or whatever.(Original post by im so academic)
Any artist that is supposedly famous would be rich and people would be paying for it anyway. I doubt they would care if a few individuals don't pay. In fact, many artists encourage illegal downloading, if it broadens their fan base. It was actually through illegal downloading that I bought some CDs for myself.
If they were dedicated artists, they would care about making music. End of. As long as there is money supporting them, through one way or not, I think only that should matter if they were a genuine music artist.
And that last part is also very true. Making music for the money is ridiculous, and why I hate Metallica so very very much. I guess it just irks me when people claim to love artists and don't pay for their music/buy merch/go to shows, as it shows they really don't. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?You can't redownload what you've purchased? That is absolutely *******y ****ty. Why do people use it?!(Original post by CrazyPyramid)
I buy CDs, I download, I buy vinyls.
I don't do paid downloads though - used to use iTunes a lot but they don't replace your music if your computer crashes, as mine did. -
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Re: How do you guys acquire your music?I buy the occasional CD (although if I want to get it at a shop, that usually involves about half an hour wading through various crap drum & bass/rnb/dubstep CDs at HMV, so I stick to amazon), otherwise its good old Youtube to MP3 (or using Audacity if the former is offline).
