[glousck]

(Original post by CharlieBoardman)
Cheers for both of your responses, they've been really helpful! There are just a few things I'd like to know before doing it. Like, are there things that I should/shouldn't do if I'm going to take md? Because I'm also on a bulking diet at the moment - meaning I'm eating 3000-3500 calories and LOTS of water each day. Is there anything I should cut out just for that day/night/day after etc?

I will also be taking it in the form of a pill, so I won't be doing lines etc. and I don't plan on doing too much - playing it safe! I'm doing it with one of my mates. He's done it a few times, and he's tried quite a few drugs. So I'm trusting him. He's going to start me on one pill, see how I go.. And whatever happens happens.. I imagine I'll be drinking alcohol that night too. Is there anything I should know here?

I'm going to try and get out of work. The following morning too. My friend says its much better if you smoke some weed the following morning.

Another thing I'm worried about is my dad. He's a pro when it comes to spotting drugs etc. and I just know he'll clock me in the morning if my pupils are still dilated.. What the hell can I do about this?

Cheers guys.

EDIT: and yeah, I'm a sensible guy. I won't be doing this often. You got it exactly right - exams are over, I've worked very hard over the past few months, and have even been teaching AS over the summer. So I think it's the to let my hair down a little, and have me some fun!

The good thing about mdma is that once you've found your 'sweet spot', there's no need to increase the dosage as that won't make it any better. So basically, if you start off on a low dose and it feels awesome, there's no need to increase it any more and you won't get a craving to do so. So once you find whatever feels best, that'll continue for a nice few hours (unlike say, coke, where you feel the need to redose again and again...there's not really a permanent comfortable place on it like with md).

Food should be fine, it just means the effects will take longer to set in than usual but not by much. I would say though to be careful of how much water you drink during that day, due to the toxicity of too much water combined with md acting as a possinbility for something to go wrong. It's cool you've got a mate there who's experienced with it, I've always done the same in the past when starting off on something new and it's really comforting. He's definitely right about having weed the next morning to ease you off of it, and I hope you get the day off of work so you can use the day to recharge.

With regards to the alcohol combination...to be honest once the effects of md hit you there's not really much need for alcohol anyway. Combining them actually takes away some of the effects of md so you'll feel less empathetic/euphoric and the drunkenness feeling takes over more. Not to mention it's more difficult to detect just how drunk you are because of the good feelings of mdma and so there's just further chances of stuff going wrong. Tbh the likelihood of something going wrong isn't very high (hence why at alot of clubs you see people off their faces on MD/speed/coke ordering drinks but since this is your first ever experience of mdma, it will probably be up their as one of the best and so it's best not to taint it...in my opinion. Trust me, once it hits you..you won't feel like alcohol is needed atall

About the pupils...it's difficult, because unless you have something like hydrocodone you can'treally do much about it. By the next morning they won't be that big though. When I go home I usually just say that I'm tired and hungover so I just want to stay in my room and not really talk...maybe have some hair over your face, keep your head down or wear a hat etc. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful in this bit lol but there's not really an antidote for dilated pupils. Maybe in the morning after see if there's any mates from the party you can chill with for a bit until your pupils go back to their normal size.

[Rainbow Stalin]

(Original post by LaurenPhilippa)
Argh, typical that you found that quote and not my "I'm off this thread" one.

I'll reiterate what I said earlier; If you want to take drugs, do it. It's no skin off my nose, but I'm firmly against it.

I joined this website 2 months ago, and obviously haven't yet grasped the concept of skim-reading a thread before I post on it aha - I was merely answering the title "have you had a positive of negative experience of drugs?". For reasons I've already explained, not to do with personal consumption of drugs (I wouldn't go near the things), mine are really quite negative.

Obviously, this thread has turned into a swap shop of how to successfully take drugs, and so I should have expected the negative reaction to what I said. No offence was meant, I'm not some keyboard warrior, but no, I don't want illegal drugs to become legal in my lifetime, or ever, for that matter.

Imo, chemical changes in the body that are brought on by illegal drugs should be illegal, yes. It's a free country, I have my opinions and you have your own opinions, that's fine, but I really don't wanna be on this thread anymore. This really is my last post on here hah.

Saying that because some drugs are illegal they should remain illegal and are bad is the ultimate argument from authority

[LaurenPhilippa]

(Original post by Rainbow Stalin)
Saying that because some drugs are illegal they should remain illegal and are bad is the ultimate argument from authority

Authority isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it is but in the case of illegal drugs it isn't, imo.

I like authority - I want to be a lawyer so yano, comes with the territory.

[parasitic]

(Original post by CharlieBoardman)
Cheers for both of your responses, they've been really helpful! There are just a few things I'd like to know before doing it. Like, are there things that I should/shouldn't do if I'm going to take md? Because I'm also on a bulking diet at the moment - meaning I'm eating 3000-3500 calories and LOTS of water each day. Is there anything I should cut out just for that day/night/day after etc?

I will also be taking it in the form of a pill, so I won't be doing lines etc. and I don't plan on doing too much - playing it safe! I'm doing it with one of my mates. He's done it a few times, and he's tried quite a few drugs. So I'm trusting him. He's going to start me on one pill, see how I go.. And whatever happens happens.. I imagine I'll be drinking alcohol that night too. Is there anything I should know here?

I'm going to try and get out of work. The following morning too. My friend says its much better if you smoke some weed the following morning.

Another thing I'm worried about is my dad. He's a pro when it comes to spotting drugs etc. and I just know he'll clock me in the morning if my pupils are still dilated.. What the hell can I do about this?

Cheers guys.

EDIT: and yeah, I'm a sensible guy. I won't be doing this often. You got it exactly right - exams are over, I've worked very hard over the past few months, and have even been teaching AS over the summer. So I think it's the to let my hair down a little, and have me some fun!

1. No! In fact because you're bulking up and therefore most likely eating a lot of whey protein and veg/fruit you should be well prepared for a good buzz. Keen mdma users often 'preload' on whey protein and bananas because they contain tryptophan that will be transferred into serotonin! So eating lots is no problem even if your diet is just pizzas, but healthier the better for your serotonin stock

Don't cut out anything. After the night- do your best to eat! Soup, water, bananas!!! Eating and drinking something is the key here. Yet again whey protein is your best man for replenishing serotonin stock over the next couple of weeks after the buzz.

2. Be careful with the pills. As much as I love them you never know exactly whats in them, even with home testing kits, they only detect MD family substances, so might not be MDMA! It also could be cut with anything, pills often contain caffeine, speed instead of mdma etc. Although In my experience all the pills I had have been fairly decent, but it's just worth noting your experience could be anything as you don't know what's in them.

It's definitely a good idea to start on 1 first time. Some people start on half- depends how drunk you are already and the type of person you are. I'm generally calm and composed even drunk. Crazy tipsy people can get too overwhelming- it's part of their character after all.

So it's your choice to do half and see how you feel after an hour, or do one right away then can top up after 2hrs or so. I would recommendatory to top up only when you feel like you're coming down, when the buzz is low and even after the high peak.

Drink alcohol sensibly whilst on e. You shouldn't really be mixing alcohol with e as it can dehydrate you so much, but I'm not gonna give you that talk. Everyone usually drinks insane amounts whilst on e. Before, during and after e. So the best advice I can give you is drink a cup of water now and then to hydrate yourself, because you will be sweating and going to the toilet a lot whilst on it, so a small bottle of water at hand is a great thing to have whilst drinking and buzzing! A glass of water before bed is also key!

Another thing, if you get hot at the party, go outside for a bit to cool down- 5minutes outside is fine and fresh air will do you good

3. You don't have to get the day off work, as you shouldn't be feeling like death. Tired, but in all honesty capable. However if it's not that big of a deal, day off is best for sure. Do as you see fit.

4. Some people like to smoke weed whilst coming down on e or the next day. It's really up to you. There is no need for it nor it's 'better' in any way apart from it's gonna make you feel more tired as weed usually has that 'sofa feeling'. However it might increase your appetite in a good way. It's up to you. I never smoke, but people who already smoke weed occasionally often smoke it after e as well. Your decision mate.


5. Pupils! Yes one of the things you can't really do anything about. If you have dark eyes you might get away with it, but if you are fair skinned and have light eyes..well tough luck. Dilated pupils can last for quite some time, depends on the individual. Mine actually last until the next evening! So if you're coming home in the morning- 6am let's say..well your pupils and eyes overall will look huge and very tense. Your parents could spot it easily! Mine did last summer. The best thing you can do is relax your eyes as much as you can and squint a bit. You know the 'sexy squint look'. Your pupils won't get smaller, but eyes won't appear so tense as if you're about to kill someone therefore slightly less obvious. (Many people look like maniacs e as they tense big time)

Try and get to bed asap when you get home, as to avoid parents! By the time you wake up, maybe it will be 3pm and your eyes will be ok. If your house lets in a lot of natural light, they should be decent looking Just say you're hanging big time and go back to your room

Even better, stay over the morning and afternoon at friends house. If it's a house party I'm sure you can crash on the floor and come home late evening?


Well there you go, what an essay.

Good luck with your first experience. It should be amazing!



*didn't realise another person replied to your message already. Sorry

[Rainbow Stalin]

(Original post by LaurenPhilippa)
Authority isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it is but in the case of illegal drugs it isn't, imo.

I like authority - I want to be a lawyer so yano, comes with the territory.

It doesn't really constitute a proper argument though. If you can accept the use of legal drugs to alter the state of mind of the user then you have to have a clear logical reason to want to use the law to distinguish between different types of drugs. Unless your position is merely to refer to the authorial moralising voice of the Daily Mail...

[dan673]

I think it's perfectly possible to enjoy most drugs without affecting the lives of those around you, and that it's social injustice to discriminate against people who do so with drugs. Like a Christian believes praying and going to Church and Christian rituals etc will help him be a better person and live a better life, I believe that meditation and exploring altered states of consciousness could do the same for those who choose to.

I'd compare criminalization of psychedelic drugs to criminalization of meditation. The latter would of course be ridiculous, but only because there isn't a substance involved.

(Original post by LaurenPhilippa)
Authority isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it is but in the case of illegal drugs it isn't, imo.

I like authority - I want to be a lawyer so yano, comes with the territory.

He was referencing the logical fallacy 'argument from authority' - which is saying something must be true because authority deems it true (without actually thinking about it).

You're kinda like the nazi that shouts at his friend for feeling sorry for the jews because "don't be ridiculous, if persecuting jews was wrong there wouldn't be laws about it!".

I forgot what the phrase was for that rule that the longer an argument goes on, the higher chance there is for hitler/nazis to be brought up but yeah, sorry about that.

[glousck]

(Original post by CharlieBoardman)
Cheers for that I will just cut down on the water that day then, and cut out the alcohol completely! Doesn't sound worthit whatsoever.. I still have this fear deep down inside that I'm going to be that one person who just happens to die from it.. My dad even mentioned drugs to me tonight. And was saying its just be my luck that something went wrong. And relayed a story about some girl who just had that one pill, and died. I know it may sound daft too you, but it is quite frightening for me still!

I'm going to see if I can swap shifts with somebody. I'm sure I can get it sorted. The party won't finish till 4/5am anyway, and I plan on taking it pretty early into the night (10ish), so hopefully my pupils will have gone down by then... I'll just do as you said and stay out a little longer!

Don't worry lol, before I first took it I felt exactly the same. I even felt really nervous on the day but it turned out to be fine. I know scare stories can have that desired effect but it's always best to take them with a pinch of salt, it just sounds like your Dad cares for you lots and is looking out for you Just keep in mind that MDMA fatalities are 1 in 10,000 (although erowid says this is only actually 2 in 100,000!) and the likelihood of death is mostly by reckless users who didn't know what they are taking/combined it with too many other drugs/took too high a dose. Compare this with a 1 in 350 fatality rate for horseriding and MDMA seems almost harmless lol. If you still are worried then talk to your mate about it and he should be able to put your mind at ease. I've been there myself so I know how nervous you feel but honestly, given your responsible approach to it you will be fine!

[glousck]

(Original post by LaurenPhilippa)
Authority isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it is but in the case of illegal drugs it isn't, imo.

I like authority - I want to be a lawyer so yano, comes with the territory.

The lawyer aspiration excuse isn't really valid, I'm currently training to be a legal executive yet can acknowledge that criminalizing drugs (bar heroin, crack and methamphetamine) has done more harm than good on a worldwide scale. The law is in place to protect people's rights. Surely by preventing people from having an altered state of consciousness is going against their rights rather than supporting them. Although there's the issue of safety to others (heroin, crack, mephamphetamine), doesn't this contradict the legal status of alcohol? It's quite confusing, for me at least.

Sorry - I know you didn't want to post anymore in this thread so I'll try to keep quiet now, it's just that as someone training in the legal profession drugs laws really seem full of contradictions which makes me want to be quite vocal on the topc

[glousck]

(Original post by MutantGecko)
i think i overdosed on AMT (i thought it was AMT but it could have been anything) on saturday night, took about 80mg, started feeling sick, awful headache that felt like my brain was being attacked by hot needles (which lasted about 20 hours, my head still hurts a bit but is loads better), left the party early (about 11pm, would have stayed till 5am ish if i was ok)

worst night of my life. i now hate all drugs, and will never take ANYTHING ever again. im not even drinking coffee anymore. i really thought i was going to die on saturday.

to make matters worse i was having a horrific trip, luckily my boyfriend stayed up with me and kept my mind off things but he played the worst joke on me ever, for something to do we did a system update on my mac, and as it was re-setting he turned over (we were in bed) a few seconds later he turned back and said 'what are you doing you have been talking to yourself for an hour' at first i didnt believe him, but then reality just dissipated and i really thought i had just sat there and let my mac overheat and shut down. im still not really sure it was a joke it really was the worst feeling ever.

only positive thing, the patterns were pretty cool.

I'm sorry but you only have yourself to blame. Your first time on AMT (which, btw is normally an amazing drug in normal doses) was 80mg - 40-50mg is a really strong dose, 80mg is seriously reckless and I have no idea what made you take that much. It's currently a legal drug which myself and many others are happy about but when people start doing stupid things like this the likelihood of the media picking up on anything that goes wrong increases and then its more likely to become illegal. People started abusing/ not respecting mephedrone and died from it...the media ran loads of stories on it...mephedrone is now illegal.

Word of warning, if you're to try anything similar again then it wouldn't hurt to look into the dosage threshold next time.

[Dreadfuse]

(Original post by spazman21)
I've had pretty extensive drug experience. Tried drugs such as marijuana, cocaine, MDMA, amphetamine, methoxetamine, LSD, DMT, opiates and many other esoteric psychedelics e.g. 4-aco-dmt, 25i-NBOME and 5-meo-DMT.

My experiences with drugs and psychedelics in particular have been wonderful. I think psychedelics, if used in a controlled environment and by stable, sensible people can have serious therapeutic potential. Also, they are simply fascinating and I'm generally interested in altered states of consciousness caused by neurotransmitters firing away in our heads. Some of the most memorable moments of my life have been tripping absolute balls.

EDIT: As for the should drugs be legal/illegal.... I think all drugs should be legalized. The fact that drugs are illegal causes more deaths than the drugs themselves (think gang wars in Mexico and S.A.) The "war on drugs" has been an absolute failure and total waste of taxpayer's money. I believe that my body and mind should be independent from the government and that they have no right to regulate what I do with my body as long as I'm not harming anyone. Some drugs e.g. LSD and MDMA are illegal simply because the "youth" got hold of them in the 60s and late 80s respectively but before these drugs were in the hands of the youth, there was genuine potential for using these drugs for psychotherapeutic reasons and many scientific studies were conducted which, unfortunately, have not been followed through.

I mean surely we should have been able to learn from history that prohibition was a complete failure. It didn't diminish alcohol intake, it fueled Al Capone's Chicago mafia and caused many inter-gang related wars and deaths

Illegalising drugs makes the drugs themselves more dangerous since they aren't regulated, meaning people will go to dangerous lengths to get their drugs and dealers are pretty sketchy and way more likely to cut their drugs with something dangerous.

To leave substances as dangerous as drugs uncontrolled and produced and distributed by irresponsible cartels and dealers is absolutely crazy in my opinion.

I have reached my 'rep limit'. So, I second everything this guy says (with regards to legalization)

[Captain Haddock]

Yeah AMT is definitely one of those things where you don't want to **** around with the dosage. There's very little info about it out there but both times I did I got the feeling there was something a bit 'dirty' about it. Maybe it was the burning tyre smell or the pinkish off-white colour, but there's definitely something about it I don't quite trust and was always extra careful with it. I can imagine taking too much would end up like that hotel scene near the end of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

[ESPORTIVA]

Anybody who supports prohibition and keeping drugs illegal go on google and type in los zetas chainsaw video.

These people also want drugs to stay illegal so they can profit from it.




Legalise all drugs

[GoingInsane]

I'm glad this thread sparked a lot of debate and it has been interesting reading throught it.

[MutantGecko]

(Original post by glousck)
I'm sorry but you only have yourself to blame. Your first time on AMT (which, btw is normally an amazing drug in normal doses) was 80mg - 40-50mg is a really strong dose, 80mg is seriously reckless and I have no idea what made you take that much. It's currently a legal drug which myself and many others are happy about but when people start doing stupid things like this the likelihood of the media picking up on anything that goes wrong increases and then its more likely to become illegal. People started abusing/ not respecting mephedrone and died from it...the media ran loads of stories on it...mephedrone is now illegal.

Word of warning, if you're to try anything similar again then it wouldn't hurt to look into the dosage threshold next time.

it wasnt my first time, iv taken it maybe about 10 times before. im not sure the issue was the dose, i think it was the batch (if it even was amt) the previous batch i had was great, no bad effects even with the largest amount i took, so im presuming either the first batch was really weak, or the new one really strong.

nevertheless the experience has put me off drugs for life, i enjoyed it in the past but its not for me anymore.

mephedrone isnt that great anyway though to be fair, i think there are more fun legal things (and prescribed drugs)

[Elipsis]

(Original post by FrozenCharlotte)
I just get high on air and music. An iPod with good music and a bike are all the drugs I need

Only people who have taken drugs are really qualified to make this statement...

[Elipsis]

(Original post by MutantGecko)
it wasnt my first time, iv taken it maybe about 10 times before. im not sure the issue was the dose, i think it was the batch (if it even was amt) the previous batch i had was great, no bad effects even with the largest amount i took, so im presuming either the first batch was really weak, or the new one really strong.

nevertheless the experience has put me off drugs for life, i enjoyed it in the past but its not for me anymore.

mephedrone isnt that great anyway though to be fair, i think there are more fun legal things (and prescribed drugs)

aMT is really suspetable to set and setting. There is nothing consistent about the experiences on that drug, even at identical dosages. It's a bit acid like in that respect I guess. Ecstasy is a lot more consistent, and so is 6-apb.

[NR09]

(Original post by Drunk Punx)
Chances are, someone's already brought you up on this, but concerning the salvia: you're doing it wrong.

A very high temperature is needed to activate the secondary chemical in it, and it's that chemical that contains the psychoactive properties.
Also, you don't roll a joint with it. A bong or pipe is the way to go

My drugs experiences? Good
Very good. Interesting, too.
Alcohol was fun for a while, until it stopped being fun. Cannabis has never stopped being fun, and neither have hallucinogens.

Yeah, we read up on it later when nothing happened and realised that we were doing it wrong. We were just impatient and wanted to do it as soon as we got our hands on it

[TheHansa]

(Original post by FrozenCharlotte)
I just get high on air and music. An iPod with good music and a bike are all the drugs I need

I cycle, I listen to music, they make me feel euphoric, it's a natural release of endorphins I've never taken drugs but I doubt you can really compare.

[GoingInsane]

(Original post by g_star_raw_1989)
Well, DMT is naturally released by the brain (which means that everyone is in possession of a class A drug lol) during dreaming, and before you die. Although, I've read this I don't know if it is scientifically proven.

However, on said trip I did have a kind of "your life flashes before your eyes moment' in very intense detail then after that I thought I was dead. Like literally, I didn't know anything about myself; not even know whether I was male or female lol.

Very interested by some of these replies!

What you mean that you thought you were dead? What was that experience like

[LaurenPhilippa]

(Original post by dan673)
I think it's perfectly possible to enjoy most drugs without affecting the lives of those around you, and that it's social injustice to discriminate against people who do so with drugs. Like a Christian believes praying and going to Church and Christian rituals etc will help him be a better person and live a better life, I believe that meditation and exploring altered states of consciousness could do the same for those who choose to.

I'd compare criminalization of psychedelic drugs to criminalization of meditation. The latter would of course be ridiculous, but only because there isn't a substance involved.

He was referencing the logical fallacy 'argument from authority' - which is saying something must be true because authority deems it true (without actually thinking about it).

You're kinda like the nazi that shouts at his friend for feeling sorry for the jews because "don't be ridiculous, if persecuting jews was wrong there wouldn't be laws about it!".

I forgot what the phrase was for that rule that the longer an argument goes on, the higher chance there is for hitler/nazis to be brought up but yeah, sorry about that.

I don't even...

Y'know, a lot of people on this thread are banging on about human rights, yeah okay, I'm all for them, don't get me wrong.
Would you not agree though that it would equally be a social injustice to bring children up in a household where their mum and dad regularly smoke chemicals that have been proven to harm? Indeed, alcohol and tobacco are the same yes, and I agree children should not have to suffer second-hand cigarette smoke/binge-drinking parents either.

Yeah, praying/meditation is not really the same as getting off your face on drugs.

Okay, I have thought about it, and I agree with authority figures that say illegal drugs should not be made legal. That's my opinion, you have yours, fair enough.

Nazi? Just...wow. I find it incredulous that, based on my aversion to illegal drug taking, you compare me to a supporter of a dictator responsible for the deaths of millions. Yeah, thanks. You're wrong. I mean, I take your point, but surely even you can see that's a gross over-exaggeration?

Funny that...."the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler received daily injections of methamphetamine from his personal physician, he was also familiar with cocaine. Many of Hitler's clinical signs and symptoms may have been caused by his exotic drug regimen."

So, actually, drug users are far more closer to Hitler than I ever will be.
Adios!