[TimHuak]

(Original post by FDR)
Gun ownership rates in the US are the highest in the world, and despite an around a 55% reduction in both overall homicide and firearms homicide rate over the last 20 years, the US still remains amongst the highest ranking in both categories.

I don't doubt that guns are entirely evil; like I said in an earlier post, Canada and Switzerland also have high gun ownership rates and relatively lenient laws, but I don't think they need gun control laws. Whereas it's quite obvious that the US does. Honestly, if gun laws in the US were the same as in the UK, do you think as a result firearms related homicide would decrease? I do.

You cannot implement a UK styled system in the USA, it is not possible.

People talk about "stricter gun control" etc without ever specifying what exactly they think is necessary. The stuff which is suggested is either useless (will only affect those who obey the law), misinformed (e.g "assault weapons" ban) or are incredibly unrealistic.

[Ham22]

WOO right to bare arms.

[Azaro]

(Original post by Theoneoranro)
These people who shoot everyone (like what happened in norway and now) follow the same ideology as people like the BNP follow. Hitler followed a the same ideology that the BNP follow. When a taliban attacks people in the name of their god, the ideology is to blame but it doesn't mean most muslims are violent people. In the same way the BNP-type racist ideology causes people to kill others but it doesn't mean most social white far-right supporters are like that. Infact I would say that the racist ideology is a lot worse than the muslim ideology because when it comes down to ratio, they've done A LOT more harm than the muslims.

racism isnt an ideology, love

[democracyforum]

(Original post by Azaro)
racism isnt an ideology, love

Racism is natural, like breathing.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by TimHuak)
You cannot implement a UK styled system in the USA, it is not possible. .

This, people don't seem to realize the effects of making something illegal on a culture where it's highly opposed. What happened on probation era again?

[Azaro]

(Original post by democracyforum)
Racism is natural, like breathing.

hm no, its a notion

[democracyforum]

(Original post by Azaro)
hm no, its a notion

No, it's a natural instinct.

[Azaro]

(Original post by democracyforum)
No, it's a natural instinct.

mayb for you

[Komatic]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)

Your average red-neck hick may not appreciate the difference of a sikh to a muslim.

The gunman has been killed, is said to be a white male, so its a sound assumption to make.

So I see..... I guess whats left now is to see how the media will portray this incident. I will be paying particular attention to the words that are used. What do you feel is the correct statement to brand these people that carried out this horrific attack?

[democracyforum]

(Original post by Azaro)
mayb for you

Maybe for everyone.

[Komatic]

(Original post by FunkeyMunkey)
This is from CNN:
“Sikh people are not Muslim, but Hindu. They can be easily mistaken for Muslim or Taliban”

This is very concerning coming from a power house broadcasting station such as CNN. Why do the human inhabitants of this world seem to be so blinded by there own sense for a need to belong to something. It's identical to cancer!

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Komatic)
So I see..... I guess whats left now is to see how the media will portray this incident. I will be paying particular attention to the words that are used. What do you feel is the correct statement to brand these people that carried out this horrific attack?

america is full of screwed up white males who will shoot a room full of people irrespective of their religion , so it may be he had no 'reason' to do this.
But there is the possiblity of anti-islamic sentiment arisen from recent terrorism, or even extremist baptist/christian beleifs

[amime]

(Original post by Prepare-Yourself)
What kind of idiot thinks Muslims wear turbans?

And to the people asking how to implement gun control... Along with the permits, licenses and background checks how about putting a limit on or stop the sale of ammunition? I mean who really needs rounds for a machine gun to protect themselves?

[FDR]

(Original post by TimHuak)
You cannot implement a UK styled system in the USA, it is not possible.

People talk about "stricter gun control" etc without ever specifying what exactly they think is necessary. The stuff which is suggested is either useless (will only affect those who obey the law), misinformed (e.g "assault weapons" ban) or are incredibly unrealistic.

OK, I concede that realistically such a law can't be implemented in the US, but I actually don't know why - the UK law is pretty much an outright ban on most guns, and licenses and permits are required for guns that aren't banned - also carrying a loaded gun around is pretty much illegal. However, why couldn't the government in the states just say - "possession of all these guns is a criminal offense, possession of a legal firearm without a permit is illegal"?

I assume the argument rests on the bill of rights that says americans have the right to bear arms, but that doesn't specify guns - I mean, americans aren't legally allowed to own nuclear weapons or chemical weapons - so why not implement a UK style law, which bans most guns, but allows some (like Shotguns ) so long as they have a permit?

Obviously UK gun laws will never happen in the US - the gun lobby has pretty much ensured that, but why not at least make it hard to get guns by requiring permits and extensive checks, and make sure all firearms related purchases are registered - as I mentioned earlier, the Colorado theatre shooter purchased 6000 rounds of ammo and no red flags were raised.

[f1mad]

(Original post by FDR)
... the Colorado theatre shooter purchased 6000 rounds of ammo and no red flags were raised.

That's the incompetence of some Americans for you.

[pr0view]

(Original post by FDR)
Nothern Ireland actually has more gun related homicides than the US...

However if you said 'we should look at switzerland, where every male owns a gun, but they have much less gun related homicides, or Canada where there are relatively loose gun laws too' , I'd say well, they don't need tight gun laws, but the figures, and the stories in the news show that the US does - Policy needs to be reactionary, a policy that suits the swiss or even the canadian doesn't suit the Americans.

You also say that by allowing widespread ownership of guns, Americans therefore have the right to defend themselves (implying that we don't ), but surely we still have the right, just not the right to defend ourselves with guns. Plus the actual 'defending yourself' bit hasn't seemed to work, like I said, of the fifty or so massacres in the US over the last three decades, none have been prevented by gun totin' civilians.

Source please for NI statement as I can't find anything that agrees with you.

I agree we can't lay out our ideal policy on TSR and expect it to fit perfectly in all nations.

We do have the right to defend ourselves however what use is that in a society where criminals still have access to a variety of very offensive weapons and we have what baseball bats at best? And even then the law is very PC, and I have doubts about whether it extends to protecting your property. The law definitely needs adjusting and making much clearer.

[chelseafan]

R.I.P to my Sikh brothers. Lives cut short so needlessly by a psychopath.

[prog2djent]

So sad, a gang of registered BNP members from a village over from me picked on a Sikh taxi driver and killed him with a brick. Now the really ignorant people are those that just see ... Turban = Muzzy terrorist.

[Bill_Gates]

will the murderer be revealed? or even his motive?

[At peace]

(Original post by Harry.K)
He probably thought they were muslim.

My thoughts exactly. I guess its easy to mistake sikhs for Muslims. It could be the beard and that head wrap, that does it.

Poor people.