[Indo-Chinese Food]

Described islamic honour killings by families who believe their daughters have disgraced them are increasingly common in Pakistan. But the gunning down last week of a woman by her brother, a lawyer, Javed Iqbal Shaikh in front of dozens of witnesses in a packed courtroom in the bustling city of Hyderabad marks an alarming new low

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...rriage-brother

[yomomalomo]

I'm no proponent of Islam but to be fair, you can't really call honour killings Islamic. Yes, there is issue with a few Muslims over the fact that a women must get male's (her father usually) consent to get married but nowhere does it state that they (women) should be killed if they marry a man without consent or against their fathers wishes.

[prog2djent]

And some people, I call them white european liberal-nihilist suicidists, say that no culture is superior to another, and criticising a culture, or suggesting the western european culture is superior in specific areas, let alone generally, is ... racist.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by prog2djent)
And some people, I call them white european liberal-nihilist suicidists, say that no culture is superior to another, and criticising a culture, or suggesting the western european culture is superior in specific areas, let alone generally, is ... racist.

there has been no critisism of any culture, only critisism of honour killings and observation of their incidence even to this extreme, in islamic community

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by yomomalomo)
I'm no proponent of Islam but to be fair, you can't really call honour killings Islamic. Yes, there is issue with a few Muslims over the fact that a women must get male's (her father usually) consent to get married but nowhere does it state that they (women) should be killed if they marry a man without consent or against their fathers wishes.

So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Using the argument that you did is just a cop-out to avoid being branded a "racist".

[Dhaal_Chawal]

Things like this happen regularly throughout the Indian subcontinent committed by people of all religions unfortunately.

"So-called islamic honour killings by families who believe their daughters have disgraced them are increasingly common in Pakistan. But the gunning down last week of a woman by her brother, a lawyer, Javed Iqbal Shaikh in front of dozens of witnesses in a packed courtroom in the bustling city of Hyderabad marks an alarming new low."

Well done for inserting a word in a quote that isn't even there in the article New low for you.

[IdeasForLife]

Well acording to Islamic law he would get the death penalty tbh.

[humza100]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Using the argument that you did is just a cop-out to avoid being branded a "racist".

If a few Muslims do something it doesnt make it an Islamic thing. Especially since it goes against Islam. If it was Christians people wouldn't say that it was Christianity's fault they would say it was a few people, not the whole religion

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Desire Z

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
there has been no critisism of any culture, only critisism of honour killings and observation of their incidence even to this extreme, in islamic community

I know there hasn't I was just making a general point.

And I think its pretty well obvious "honour" killings are a big feature in Pakistan and India, I can imagine this takes place in Far-east countries, as well as being engraved in their histories, i'm sure it happens widely in Arab and African countries, seems to me only europe hasn't really gone through this. I mean, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing, the only thing that is visable in europe seems to be imported ........

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
"So-called islamic honour killings by families who believe their daughters have disgraced them are increasingly common in Pakistan. But the gunning down last week of a woman by her brother, a lawyer, Javed Iqbal Shaikh in front of dozens of witnesses in a packed courtroom in the bustling city of Hyderabad marks an alarming new low."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...rriage-brother

Did you really have to copy a paragraph and then insert the word "Islamic" in there?
Are you an instigator?

[yomomalomo]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Using the argument that you did is just a cop-out to avoid being branded a "racist".

I would not class honour killings as an Islamic problem but more of an Indian subcontinent problem. Honour killings to occur in the Indian subcontinent outside of Muslim communities, it has been carried out by Hindus before - for example. Honour killings happen very infrequently in most of the rest of the Islamic world - they are mainly due to the backward conditions of the inhabitants and not the actual religion.

Another reason why I claim it is not an Islamic problem is that there is no foundation for the practice in any of their religious scriptures - even the apocryphal ones. I criticise Islam about their law on apostasy for example because it is something that is referenced in their scripture, honour killings are not, however,so are neither Islamic culturally or scripturally.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Using the argument that you did is just a cop-out to avoid being branded a "racist".

False. You neglect other factors such as being a cultural problem...
Also discrimination of religion =/= racism

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
Lmao

?

[Rtcw]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Because it mainly happens in south Asian countries... It's rare it happens in white Muslims, and black Muslims as well. Hindus and Sikhs where it is common in south Asian countries, happen too so it is not Islamic problem.

[Dhaal_Chawal]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
?

Sorry, when I found out the op just inserted 'Islamic' into that quote I had to laugh.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
Sorry, when I found out the op just inserted 'Islamic' into that quote I had to laugh.

Ah okay

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by humza100)
If a few Muslims do something it doesnt make it an Islamic thing. Especially since it goes against Islam. If it was Christians people wouldn't say that it was Christianity's fault they would say it was a few people, not the whole religion

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Desire Z

The fact is, it isn't a problem with Christianity. Instead of creating hypothetical situations, review your religion.

[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
False. You neglect other factors such as being a cultural problem...
Also discrimination of religion =/= racism

Hence the air quotes around racism to show that it would be chucked around without consideration for its meaning. Do I have to spell it out? Evidently.

How can it be a 'cultural' problem when it occurs in Muslim communities all over the world? The Muslims in this country don't have the same culture as those in Pakistan or Nigeria.

[humza100]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
The fact is, it isn't a problem with Christianity. Instead of creating hypothetical situations, review your religion.

Why review my religion when there is nothing wrong with it, where does it say that you are allowed to kill people for whatever reason. Taking another humans life is the.biggest sin you fan commit. So religion is not the problem.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Desire Z

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Hence the air quotes around racism to show that it would be chucked around without consideration for its meaning. Do I have to spell it out? Evidently.

How can it be a 'cultural' problem when it occurs in Muslim communities all over the world? The Muslims in this country don't have the same culture as those in Pakistan or Nigeria.

It's not specifically a Muslim thing
Even if it was, the mere fact that there is a correlation is not proof that it is a Muslim issue...

You're disproving your own stupid point. If not all Muslims belong to this insane ideology of honour killing, then why is it a Muslim issue... It's rather those who are adamant to keep the cultural aspects of Pakistan. You can still keep your culture and live in a different country.

How many people raised accepting the western culture who are Muslim also participate in honour killings?