[Rhonut]

I think schools need to be more involved in education as soon as things like this happen. I remember back when that bomb went off in London, my high school made a massive thing of it, we had to have a debate in the next English class and had to write a report as to what happened and why etc for our homework, they took off a normal lesson to do this but I really think it helped people to understand the situation and that a certain religion isn't to blame, it was the work of extremists not a religion. However, it's not as easy to do it for adults, and I think the media should be taking some of the responsibility to educate rather than just report it and stir up hard feelings...

[Komatic]

(Original post by Awyk)
London riots we saw reports of sikh standing outside a mosque protecting the people inside who were praying. This is a act of friendship and needs to be taken in by people all across the world it does not matter where we are from and what we believe in but we are not going to get better as a race until we resolve these problems between us.

Now that's what I'm talking about!... I felt a great feeling to myself reading what you wrote!

(Original post by Steevee)
The moral duty to inform with precision does not extend to explanation of everything surrounding the story with no actual impact upon the story.

Whilst the above statement is correct....
Many news channels stated that the gunman possibly confused the Sikh Temple with a Muslim temple. Can you imagine the feeling that went through every Islamic persons gut after reading that point? Reporting or stating such a thing is not even relevant to the story. My point being... mate..... Media around the world manages to manipulate there viewers feelings in a very evil way. God I hate realizing stuff like this..... Why can't I be as ignorant as the rest of them.

Although as a religious man myself I do take some comfort in judgement after death for your actions as a human.

Meh! .... I think your wrong, It should be there moral duty.

[Brightdays]

(Original post by Oiseaux)
Exactly. It's uncertain whether he even mistook the Sikhs for Muslims, but even if he did, it doesn't justify what he did. I don't even know why Muslims and Islam is even being brought up in the articles regarding this tragic event.

The reason why Islam and Muslims are being bought up is because Sikhs are targeted because people think they are Muslims. By saying that they are Sikhs and not Muslim, is not implying that it is ok to attack Muslims. But it is highlighting the fact that Sikhs have consistently been targets of hate crimes since 9/11 because people confuse them with muslims. Again, that is not saying it is ok to attack innocent Muslims.

To understand this whole point, you got to look at it deeply. The thing is, Muslims on a whole are difficult to identify. If a psycho wanted to go and attack Muslims, he would have to do alot of research, find out where the mosques are, spy on them, and then confirm by asking them their name and seeing if it is Islamic etc. Sikhs with their visible turbans and beards have become mistakenly known in alot of the USA and some european countries to be Muslim. This has resulted in countless attacks on Sikhs since 9/11. There was a report saying that 60 per cent of Sikh school children in New York schools face harassment on a daily basis because people think they are Muslim (again, that is not condoning harassment of muslims). Numerous cases of Sikhs being beaten up, spat at, verbally abused and even killed have been documented over the last decade. All because some idiot thought they were muslim.


People who are going to get their 'revenge' for 9/11 and fundamentalist Islamic terrorism are going to attack all Muslims. They don't care if they are innocent or not. Now, regardless of who is being attacked, Sikh or Muslim, wouldn't everyone want these attacks to decrease. Yes. Now, if you can immediately decrease the number of hate crimes of this nature by simply stating that half (it is actually probably more) of the potential victims are not even Muslim, wouldn't that be the right thing to do? Of course it would. This explains why it is very important for the mentioning of the fact that Sikhs are not Muslims in these sorts of articles and news pieces.

I do admit, the presenters and articles should be mentioning the fact that just because the Sikhs are not Muslim, it doesn't mean it is ok to attack Muslims.

[Brightdays]

(Original post by Komatic)
Now that's what I'm talking about!... I felt a great feeling to myself reading what you wrote!
Whilst the above statement is correct....
Many news channels stated that the gunman possibly confused the Sikh Temple with a Muslim temple. Can you imagine the feeling that went through every Islamic persons gut after reading that point? Reporting or stating such a thing is not even relevant to the story.

With all due respect, can you imagine the feeling that goes through every Sikh persons gut when they are sworn at, shouted at, attacked and killed due to the misconception they are Muslims. (This does not mean it is ok to do this to Muslims, please read my previous post).

It is completely relevant to the story.

[12e80]

Not all Muslims are terrorists, not all terrorists are Muslims. So, the killing of any innocent person would have been bad regardless of faith. However, the news said that Sikhs and Muslims are different because a possible motive for the crime was mistaken identity. Now, being a turban wearing Sikh, i know that a majority of hate crimes commited on Sikhs are because of mistaken identity. The first man killed after 9/11 was Balbir Singh Sodhi a petrol pump worker, the killer said "he was out to get revenge and kill ragheads". Even after 7/7, Gurdwaras were the target of vandels in the UK. The news tried clearing up a misconception of people confusing Sikhs as Muslims. Most people in America do not know Sikh exist. After 9/11 images of Osama Bin Laden were repeatedly shown on tv channels, he had a turban and beard. So most Americans living in an area where there are no Sikhs will assume all turban wearers are radical Islamists that are worthy of revenge attacks. I have family in the US and they tell me that sometimes people do say "al Quaeda and taliban" to them.

[AdvanceAndVanquish]

A bit off the main topic but one thing that's been bugging me is that all the news reports have mentioned how one of the gurdwara's founders who was killed in the attack has been hailed as a hero after he picked up a butter knife and attacked the shooter, giving others time to get to safety. My question is, did he not have a kirpan?

[Steevee]

(Original post by Komatic)
Whilst the above statement is correct....
Many news channels stated that the gunman possibly confused the Sikh Temple with a Muslim temple. Can you imagine the feeling that went through every Islamic persons gut after reading that point? Reporting or stating such a thing is not even relevant to the story. My point being... mate..... Media around the world manages to manipulate there viewers feelings in a very evil way. God I hate realizing stuff like this..... Why can't I be as ignorant as the rest of them.

Although as a religious man myself I do take some comfort in judgement after death for your actions as a human.

Meh! .... I think you're wrong, It should be there moral duty.

How was it not relevant? The motivation behind the attack is pretty damn relevant in my books.

And bearing in mind you're a religious person I can't say I'm sad someone isn't conforming to your moral standard.

[Komatic]

(Original post by Steevee)
How was it not relevant? The motivation behind the attack is pretty damn relevant in my books.

And bearing in mind you're a religious person I can't say I'm sad someone isn't conforming to your moral standard.

I have an opinion and you have your opinion. What wrong with my moral standard?
Did you know the intentions of the person lying on the floor with 5-6 bullets in his ass personally? No? I didn't think so.....

When I say I am a religious person I am born of the Sikh faith but I maintain a universal belief that all religions believe in the same thing. Also.. what do you mean by conforming to my moral standards?

(Original post by Brightdays)
With all due respect, can you imagine the feeling that goes through every Sikh persons gut when they are sworn at, shouted at, attacked and killed due to the misconception they are Muslims. (This does not mean it is ok to do this to Muslims, please read my previous post).

It is completely relevant to the story.

Why so hasty? Of course I can imagine it... I don't want to imagine it you as-s-hole! Also I don't think any of them at the time realized that they were being attacked because they were mistaken for Muslims... don't you think?

Also I think the killer really didn't care if they were Muslims or not... I don't think he could have been educated to see Sikh people are not Muslims even if you strapped him in a chair and made him learn the difference for an entire year. The point in this useless debate is .... He was a WHITE supremacist!!!!

[Steevee]

(Original post by Komatic)
I have an opinion and you have your opinion. What wrong with my moral standard?
Did you know the intentions of the person lying on the floor with 5-6 bullets in his ass personally? No? I didn't think so.....

When I say I am a religious person I am born of the Sikh faith but I maintain a universal belief that all religions believe in the same thing. Also.. what do you mean by conforming to my moral standards?

You're religious, therefore I have no faith in your moral standards, that is what I mean.

And no, I don't personally know them. But professionals said this was a probable motive, therefore it is part of the story.

[Brightdays]

(Original post by Komatic)
I have an opinion and you have your opinion. What wrong with my moral standard?
Did you know the intentions of the person lying on the floor with 5-6 bullets in his ass personally? No? I didn't think so.....

When I say I am a religious person I am born of the Sikh faith but I maintain a universal belief that all religions believe in the same thing. Also.. what do you mean by conforming to my moral standards?



Why so hasty? Of course I can imagine it... I don't want to imagine it you as-s-hole! Also I don't think any of them at the time realized that they were being attacked because they were mistaken for Muslims... don't you think?

Also I think the killer really didn't care if they were Muslims or not... I don't think he could have been educated to see Sikh people are not Muslims even if you strapped him in a chair and made him learn the difference for an entire year. The point in this useless debate is .... He was a WHITE supremacist!!!!

I was not being hasty, just simply stating the plight of the feelings of Sikhs on such a serious issue. I was wanting to make people like you who only look at things from one side to see it from the other end. No need for calling names. Choose your words wisely.

And plus, you want to imagine the way mulsims felt when they heard that the news said the gunman possibly mistook the sikh temple for a muslim temple but you don't want to imagine how sikhs feel when they are mistaken for muslims and attacked for it by ignorant idiots. On top of that you say you are of a sikh backround. You sound like a muslim troll. But you probably are not. Just a misguided dude who's jumped on the PC brigade a bit too hard.

[Uclan10]

(Original post by Rhonut)
I think schools need to be more involved in education as soon as things like this happen. I remember back when that bomb went off in London, my high school made a massive thing of it, we had to have a debate in the next English class and had to write a report as to what happened and why etc for our homework, they took off a normal lesson to do this but I really think it helped people to understand the situation and that a certain religion isn't to blame, it was the work of extremists not a religion. However, it's not as easy to do it for adults, and I think the media should be taking some of the responsibility to educate rather than just report it and stir up hard feelings...

Funny slavery isn't viewed like that.

[Rhonut]

(Original post by Uclan10)
Funny slavery isn't viewed like that.

What do you mean?

[green.tea]

(Original post by Steevee)
And the fact that there has been unprovoked attacks on anyone because of 9/11 is sad, not just when it's Sikhs.

Well yeah its sad when it happens to anyone, except al qaeda, but when ithappens to sikhs its far more moronic. This is why stupid people need to be taught not to try to think at all and just follow simple instructions.

Pick up bin, empty bin in wagon.

Pick up bin, empty bin in wagon.

Pick up bin, empty bin in wagon.

Go home.

Eat.

Sleep.

Get up.

Drive wagon.

Pick up bin, empty bin in wagon.

etc..

[AbuAK]

I find it ignorant that there seems to be a vibe that if it was Muslims in a mosque, it would have been "ok" or even justifiable.
Killing is wrong, plain and simple.

[Uclan10]

(Original post by Rhonut)
What do you mean?

you know exactly what i mean.

[Komatic]

(Original post by Brightdays)
I was not being hasty, just simply stating the plight of the feelings of Sikhs on such a serious issue. I was wanting to make people like you who only look at things from one side to see it from the other end. No need for calling names. Choose your words wisely.

And plus, you want to imagine the way mulsims felt when they heard that the news said the gunman possibly mistook the sikh temple for a muslim temple but you don't want to imagine how sikhs feel when they are mistaken for muslims and attacked for it by ignorant idiots. On top of that you say you are of a sikh backround. You sound like a muslim troll. But you probably are not. Just a misguided dude who's jumped on the PC brigade a bit too hard.

Iv'e chosen my words wisely you insubordinate ****

You clearly didn't get what I mean on the previous post.... For you to say I'm a Muslim troll really shows your level of peace within yourself. Don't either accuse me of jumping on the PC brigade too fast either. I was born with a Sinclair in my hands at birth. You think I haven't felt what they felt when I was reading the news. How can you make such an argument?

"You're just some pissy little ****... that can't come to terms with the way he is feeling, further more you try and paste your fear on others like tard..."

EDIT: I would just like to add.... I think I got the killers motives on more of a lock down in general if you look at my previous post..... safe...One Love!... Peace!....

[Brightdays]

Didn't moderators delete this Komatics rants? They deleted my last one, you don't see me posting it again. Had to post it yours again to have the upper hand did you?

What a fool. Go get a life.

[A.K85]

(Original post by Rarar)
Yes, yes, I know there's already a thread for this, I just felt the need to create a new thread about this issue.

Many of you will obviously know about the devastating shooting that happened in a Sikh Temple yesterday in Wisconsin. Now, rumours are abound that the killer had a 9/11 tattoo on him, making it seem as if he was out to kill Muslims, and not Sikhs.

No, my issue is, are people REALLY that ignorant to confuse the two? Do people honestly believe that us Sikhs are 'the same' as Muslims? Are people THAT ignorant that they don't even step outside their own shell and realize that there are very significant differences between the two faiths? Is it a reflection of American society - or society as a whole?

And it's not just the killer who was ignorant of other faiths. Many of the main American news companies were unsure about Sikhism, with many of them confused about it. For example, the fact that they are referring to the temple as a 'sikh temple' and not a 'gurdwara' is ignorance in itself. And whereas new companies like Sky News actually talk about Sikhism and it's heritage in their news, I fail to see an American company do so yet.

And the fact that the killer wanted to murder Muslims is also horrible. Not all Muslims are extremists; in fact, it is only a small minority that taint their reputation. And there's also extremists in EVERY faith and corner of humanity; so why just pick upon the Muslims for? I have a few Muslim friends, with one if them being a strict Muslim, and they are extremely nice and possibly the friendliest people I have ever met. Why punish innocent people because of their religion? History is repeating itself yet again, only this time it's Muslims who are facing the full force.

I'm sorry if these seemed extremely aggressive or opinionated or anything else very bad, it's just that I think ignorance is one of the worst things ever committed. The fact that almost 600 counts of attacks on Sikhs since 9/11 have occurred also saddens me - are we all that ignorant?

I give my condolonces to all those affected by the atrocious murders of innocent human beings.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my MZ604

Yes it's ironic. It's only thanks to western countries like U.S.A that the Sikhs in afghanistan got a respite from muslim persecution when the talibans were smashed. Among other things, the sikhs had to wear religious badges like the jews and endure humiliations, beatings etc. under the talibans and its afghan population. Who will protect them now when the american troops leave?

History teaches us that minority groups in western countries are safer now compared to minority groups who are at the mercy of majority groups in Islamic countries.

[>Untitled<]

I know exactly what you mean! There is a vast, astounding amount of people who display the ignorance we are talking about. People think turban and think muslims and terrorists (which in itself is unfair to muslims aswell). Also the other day I saw a british girl post a picture on facebook of her (photoshopped), ignorantly, wearing a sikh turban with the sikh symbol and everything with the title 'Musi 4evs'. Not only is that outrageously ignorant, it is hugely offensive to both religions. The fact that people still think that it is acceptable to make such racist remarks and jokes on social networking media is disgusting.

/rant

[>Untitled<]

(Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
Tragedy yes but Sikhism remains un-persecuted and unviolated

Are you actually joking ....
Do you even know a single thing about ANY of their history?