[onda]

You make many good points. But I disagree on the bit where you say they do it 'for the money' more like for honour and respect. This ideology is deeply rooted in their history and culture which was passed on from generation to generation. I actually don't think it is bad. We in the west are just pussies and too soft IMO

[onda]

(Original post by im so academic)
OP, what's your point? I have read that twice and it seems to be in really bad English. I just don't understand.

Cut to the chase. What are you talking about? Are you for or against child abuse?

He is just giving his thoughts from a Chinese perspective on why child abuse is justified

One of the skills you should have as a native English speaker is Understanding poor english

[Go.Infi]

(Original post by Adam_x)
It's acceptable if he could have given evidence but his analysis are based on untruth.
And I really don't like the way he says.He regarded China as poor(Capital);he said Chinese didn't catch up on education and thoughts?(cocky?) he said many Chinese don't know human rights(even foreigners won't believe)he said Chinese for silver cuz of money and face(Chen Yibing's score is a heated topic of discussion in China now and 99.99% of us blame it on unfairness)and I read that he wanted to say western players are morally better than Chinese players.(they for hobby,we for money)
I'd like to see a list(if he could give)of which athletes are 'too poor to get trained' and make a living by Olympics,instead of using 'some athletes' 'many Chinese'.Who da*** are 'some'?

The point is, many behavior you regard as 'abuse' are quite normall in China, and I'm afraid that things are far less severe than it look like. I think you guys are misleaded by the picture on Daliy Mail or other sites. What's interesting is, there is another picture now quite prevalent in Chinese forums(as follows) which indicates you 'abuse' your kids, too. What I'm gonna point out is these things are just so easy to manipulate!

Tbh, when I saw the picture about child abuse on Daily Mail, put the element of truth aside, I felt a strong sense of unfriendliness, obviously someone was using a subject opinion to urge people against China. And my intuition told me that clearly there are a handful of people who felt unhappy about China taking the lead in gold and try to find something against it.(no offence, but I believe there is a few people like that) But that's not wise at all! Many Chinese are dissatisfied about London now, it will harm the relationships between the two countries.That isnt worth it!

[Go.Infi]

(Original post by im so academic)
OP, what's your point? I have read that twice and it seems to be in really bad English. I just don't understand.

Cut to the chase. What are you talking about? Are you for or against child abuse?

I'm sorry for my poor language.The language I learn here not quite similar, I know I have to make more efforts getting into a native English environment.But I'm working hard and wish to go to UK or US someday, I hope you can forgive this and help me making progress, I'll be appriciate about that.

[onda]

(Original post by Go.Infi)
The point is, many behavior you regard as 'abuse' are quite normall in China, and I'm afraid that things are far less severe than it look like. I think you guys are misleaded by the picture on Daliy Mail or other sites. What's interesting is, there is another picture now quite prevalent in Chinese forums(as follows) which indicates you 'abuse' your kids, too. What I'm gonna point out is these things are just so easy to manipulate!

Tbh, when I saw the picture about child abuse on Daily Mail, put the element of truth aside, I felt a strong sense of unfriendliness, obviously someone was using a subject opinion to urge people against China. And my intuition told me that clearly there are a handful of people who felt unhappy about China taking the lead in gold and try to find something against it.(no offence, but I believe there is a few people like that) But that's not wise at all! Many Chinese are dissatisfied about London now, it will harm the relationships between the two countries.That isnt worth it!

Don't worry. No one really takes the daily mail too seriously. But I agree, all it does is make us look severely butt hurt that we can't match china lol

[onda]

(Original post by Go.Infi)
I'm sorry for my poor language.The language I learn here not quite similar, I know I have to make more efforts getting into a native English environment.But I'm working hard and wish to go to UK or US someday, I hope you can forgive this and help me making progress, I'll be appriciate about that.

Tbf you're doing quite well I'm amazed!

[Go.Infi]

(Original post by ukdragon37)
He told me he was Chinese in posts this morning, and he was defending China.

In his other posts like this one he also says he's Chinese.

Oh, btw, if you are interested in chatting in Chinese forum, I can recommend you one.
http://bbs.pinggu.org/
“人大经济论坛” which is the forum of economy in Renming university, it has 3million members and most of them are university students and scholars with a high level of education and good manner.

[ukdragon37]

Thanks, I'll take a look

[im so academic]

(Original post by onda)
He is just giving his thoughts from a Chinese perspective on why child abuse is justified

One of the skills you should have as a native English speaker is Understanding poor english

Child abuse can never be justified.

The OP wasn't just in poor English, it was exceptionally confusing.

[samir12]

(Original post by im so academic)
Child abuse can never be justified.

The OP wasn't just in poor English, it was exceptionally confusing.

I managed to understand OP's English, its just you.

[Nugget McChicken]

http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-778366-1-1.html

See for yourself.

[Uclan10]

Infanticide is now worse in India. India also has the mos slaves on record.

[ukdragon37]

(Original post by Nugget McChicken)
http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/thread-778366-1-1.html

See for yourself.

Nobody is saying the system is ideal and wouldn't change it if they could. Unfortunately this is a result of the circumstances in China and it's very difficult to devise a better system that still works given many of the parents that send their children to these schools are poor and there are only a limited amount of resources the state could provide, let alone change it overnight.

However the achievements of those that do succeed should be celebrated, especially given what they've gone though. At least afford them that dignity. It's not their fault that they are the product of an imperfect system and motives of others.

[Nugget McChicken]

(Original post by ukdragon37)
Nobody is saying the system is ideal and wouldn't change it if they could. Unfortunately this is a result of the circumstances in China and it's very difficult to devise a better system that still works given many of the parents that send their children to these schools are poor and there are only a limited amount of resources the state could provide, let alone change it overnight.

However the achievements of those that do succeed should be celebrated, especially given what they've gone though. At least afford them that dignity. It's not their fault that they are the product of an imperfect system and motives of others.

That makes no sense. I'm not having a go at the athletes, I'm having a go at the system they may have been through. I don't see why we should pretend it is all flowers and rainbows just because they resulted in gold. How many rejects do you think have been through that same system and never had a chance to actually compete? How many lives ruined? Do you seriously believe the end justifies the means because you seem to be implying that as long as it turns out gold medal winners we should turn a blind eye. We have to remember the seriously damaging the bodies of children is not new to Chinese culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding

[ukdragon37]

(Original post by Nugget McChicken)
That makes no sense. I'm not having a go at the athletes, I'm having a go at the system they may have been through. I don't see why we should pretend it is all flowers and rainbows just because they resulted in gold. How many rejects do you think have been through that same system and never had a chance to actually compete? How many lives ruined? Do you seriously believe the end justifies the means because you seem to be implying that as long as it turns out gold medal winners we should turn a blind eye.

Where did I actually disagree with you? By all means put exposure on it. I think that is a good thing as just like you I want the system to change. I'm not saying turn a blind eye to anything.

However I was trying to emphasise two points which in fairness one should remember when pushing for reform of the system, which many people just forget:

1) The system is a product of circumstance, not because the Chinese people are inherently "evil" or anything like that. And we should certainly not blame the atheletes for it.
2) There are many many complications involved in the system and to reform it will take time. So we should give it the patience that's necessary but still ensure it is making progress. No use in constantly moaning "why isn't it changing?!".

(Original post by Nugget McChicken)
We have to remember the seriously damaging the bodies of children is not new to Chinese culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding

And the point of this is? By the same reasoning I could say that drug dealing and subjugating other races is not new to British culture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars Thankfully both of these things have been relegated to the dustbin of history (and both the Chinese and British have realised their respective practices were wrong) so I don't see how it is even remotely relevant to the current discussion.

Even if you say it's in their culture, what makes your value system better than theirs? Many Chinese people see what you would call child abuse just hard training. To say that they are wrong is just using western moral values to judge those of a different race. What makes the western ones so superior as being correct? This is in fact what makes many Chinese people think that westerners are arrogant - frequently they judge other races based on their own values developed from western culture or history that is totally different to what other races might see as right. This comes back to my point 1 above - we should understand why the Chinese has arrived at the value system that they have and persuade them that there is a better way.