[desdemonata]

(Original post by lambert1)
Why would someone choose to do a man in the arse over jerking off? Unless prison has an unusual number of homosexual rapists I think rape has very little to do with sexual frustration in there. It is all about dominance and staying on top of the pack.

Wait, what was your argument about how men in mixed prisons wouldn't rape women instead of men again?

[lambert1]

(Original post by Sheldor)
If that was enough to keep frustration down, men wouldn't care about being virgins or not having sex for a long time, would they?


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That is all about social status and boasting.

[lambert1]

(Original post by desdemonata)
Wait, what was your argument about how men in mixed prisons wouldn't rape women instead of men again?

My argument is that prison rape is about dominance and that sexual attraction is irrelevant.

[desdemonata]

(Original post by lambert1)
But American History X was based on a true story.

Yes, and Fury of the Titans was based on actual ancient mythology. "Based on a true story" =/= "accurate report of what happened"

[desdemonata]

(Original post by lambert1)
My argument is that prison rape is about dominance and that sexual attraction is irrelevant.

So why bring up sexuality? If sexual attraction is irrelevant, sexual orientation would be as well.

[lambert1]

(Original post by desdemonata)
So why bring up sexuality? If sexual attraction is irrelevant, sexual orientation would be as well.

The sexual frustration argument relies on attraction. Sexually frustrated people don't suddenly start having sex with the same sex. (well unless the whole away at sea stuff is true).

[desdemonata]

(Original post by lambert1)
The sexual frustration argument relies on attraction. Sexually frustrated people don't suddenly start having sex with the same sex. (well unless the whole away at sea stuff is true).

All evidence of male rape in prisons to the contrary.

Well I don't know, if I were sexually frustrated enough I might try having sex with another woman. And in Ancient Greece homosexuality was so widely accepted/practiced precisely because men were away for 10 years without seeing any women.

[lambert1]

(Original post by desdemonata)
All evidence of male rape in prisons to the contrary.

Well I don't know, if I were sexually frustrated enough I might try having sex with another woman. And in Ancient Greece homosexuality was so widely accepted/practiced precisely because men were away for 10 years without seeing any women.

I don't get the whole sexual frustration thing. Just finish yourself off and the boner goes away.

[manchesterunited15]

(Original post by zaliack)
woman have advantages over men in other sports (high jump, gymnastics etc)

High jump? lol no.

[NotYourAverage']

I think that all roles should be even, for instance women should get on their knees and start proposing to men, pay for their own dinners to name a few, otherwise men will continue to enforce their superiority.

[desdemonata]

(Original post by lambert1)
I don't get the whole sexual frustration thing. Just finish yourself off and the boner goes away.

Yes, but just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not the reason behind male rape in prisons. Go to prison and I'm sure you will after a short while.

[When you see it...]

(Original post by lambert1)
It is simple replace the word women with black and men for white and see how politically incorrect the statement is. Black people in the US had to go through segregation and they did not like it. Women have gotten so used to it that they don't even realise they are being repressed.

What even... I mean... what is your point?

[blu tack]

(Original post by desdemonata)
Yes, but just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not the reason behind male rape in prisons. Go to prison and I'm sure you will after a short while.

Is there any proof to these claims? Because it seems to support the idea that men are slaves to their sexual desire and not in control when they rape people, which I do not believe. This idea makes me uneasy because it can effectively absolve rapists of responsibility.

So do you have any sources which prove it is just sexual frustration which causes rape in prisons?

[desdemonata]

(Original post by blu tack)
Is there any proof to these claims? Because it seems to support the idea that men are slaves to their sexual desire and not in control when they rape people, which I do not believe. This idea makes me uneasy because it can effectively absolve rapists of responsibility.

So do you have any sources which prove it is just sexual frustration which causes rape in prisons?

That isn't what I meant to imply. My point wasn't that all men are simply slaves to their sexual desires, but that it is most likely that sexual frustration and the lack of women are what push men in prison to rape other men, and that if there were mixed prisons it would most likely be women getting raped.

Don't get me wrong. In no way am I saying that a rapist is not responsible for his actions

[blu tack]

(Original post by desdemonata)
That isn't what I meant to imply. My point wasn't that all men are simply slaves to their sexual desires, but that it is most likely that sexual frustration and the lack of women are what push men in prison to rape other men, and that if there were mixed prisons it would most likely be women getting raped.

Don't get me wrong. In no way am I saying that a rapist is not responsible for his actions

The thing is though, men outside of prisons who can't get laid for years at a time don't usually resort to rape. And when they do it is more often about power than sexual need/desire, like the OP said.
So what amakes the difference in prisons? Why can't they just masturbate?

edit- I know you didn't mean to imply that btw but that is where that line of logic leads IMO.

[desdemonata]

(Original post by blu tack)
The thing is though, men outside of prisons who can't get laid for years at a time don't usually resort to rape. And when they do it is more often about power than sexual need/desire, like the OP said.
So what amakes the difference in prisons? Why can't they just masturbate?

edit- I know you didn't mean to imply that btw but that is where that line of logic leads IMO.

Yes but some men are in prison precisely because they are rapists, and being in prison should generally connotate that they are capable of such crimes or equally bad crimes and that's why they're locked up (as in, they're not in prison for no reason). A lot of men aren't capable of rape, but I'd like to think that most who are capable are in prison, and those sorts of people obviously aren't satisfied with just masturbating unfortunately.

Rape is about dominance and not so much about sex, I agree on this. However I think the circumstances of being locked up with only men do mean that in general you could assume it was mainly sexual tension that made them rape other men, when if outside of prison if they were to rape their victim would likely be female and not male.

[blu tack]

(Original post by desdemonata)
Yes but some men are in prison precisely because they are rapists, and being in prison should generally connotate that they are capable of such crimes or equally bad crimes and that's why they're locked up (as in, they're not in prison for no reason). A lot of men aren't capable of rape, but I'd like to think that most who are capable are in prison, and those sorts of people obviously aren't satisfied with just masturbating unfortunately.

Rape is about dominance and not so much about sex, I agree on this. However I think the circumstances of being locked up with only men do mean that in general you could assume it was mainly sexual tension that made them rape other men, when if outside of prison if they were to rape their victim would likely be female and not male.

To be frank you're making a logical leap which doesn't fit.
Obviously the men in prison are okay with breaking the law (though that by no means means that they are capable of rape) but why would their motives differ inside prison than outside? Surely being with men would mean that the motive wouldn't be sexual frustration- because they are presumably mostly heterosexual. I know that the heterosexual men that I know would rather masturbate to relieve sexual tension than have (even consensual) sex with another man. You're just not explaining why rapists in prison would have different motives, sorry.
This is a really dangerous thing to make assumptions about, so if you have no proof of what you're saying besides assumptions, I'm gonna remain unconvinced.

Edit- I've just looked into this for 5 mins and found a journal article called 'Male Prison Rape: A Search for Causation and Prevention', which contains this paragraph- 'Rape in prison is rarely a sexual act, but one of violence, politics, and acting out power roles (Rideau and
Wikberg 1992, p. 75). The act of rape in the ultra masculine world of prison constitutes the ultimate humiliation
visited upon a male by forcing him to assume the role of a woman. Rideau and Wikberg (1992, p. 75) argue that sex
assault in prison is not considered 'sexual' and not really regarded as 'rape' in the same sense that society regards the
term.' Very interesting read if you fancy it http://www.justdetention.org/pdf/knowles2.pdf

[desdemonata]

(Original post by blu tack)
To be frank you're making a logical leap which doesn't fit.
Obviously the men in prison are okay with breaking the law (though that by no means means that they are capable of rape) but why would their motives differ inside prison than outside? Surely being with men would mean that the motive wouldn't be sexual frustration- because they are presumably mostly heterosexual. I know that the heterosexual men that I know would rather masturbate to relieve sexual tension than have (even consensual) sex with another man. You're just not explaining why rapists in prison would have different motives, sorry.
This is a really dangerous thing to make assumptions about, so if you have no proof of what you're saying besides assumptions, I'm gonna remain unconvinced.

I'm not trying to convince you. If you were to show me evidence contrary to what I'm saying I'd accept it (but I refuse to accept the garbled and troll-like reasoning of the OP ), I'll admit this isn't a subject I've looked into in depth.

I'm talking about sexual frustration to a point where they no longer care there are no women. Rape is definitely a very predatory thing. When a rapist goes out looking for a victim, and his preference is female, once he's locked up he longer has that choice. I would assume that this twisted compulsion doesn't disappear once in prison. For those that were never rapists in the first place (as in outside of prison), I can imagine that the motives to rape arise differently, and caused probably by sexual frustration. I don't see why the motives would be the same, as if they would do it in prison they would do it out of prison, surely?

Honestly don't think this is the best topic for debate at half 4 (where I live anyway) in the morning. I don't really want to understand how a rapist's mind works if I'm honest

[blu tack]

(Original post by desdemonata)
I'm not trying to convince you. If you were to show me evidence contrary to what I'm saying I'd accept it (but I refuse to accept the garbled and troll-like reasoning of the OP ), I'll admit this isn't a subject I've looked into in depth.

I'm talking about sexual frustration to a point where they no longer care there are no women. Rape is definitely a very predatory thing. When a rapist goes out looking for a victim, and his preference is female, once he's locked up he longer has that choice. I would assume that this twisted compulsion doesn't disappear once in prison. For those that were never rapists in the first place (as in outside of prison), I can imagine that the motives to rape arise differently, and caused probably by sexual frustration. I don't see why the motives would be the same, as if they would do it in prison they would do it out of prison, surely?

Honestly don't think this is the best topic for debate at half 4 (where I live anyway) in the morning. I don't really want to understand how a rapist's mind works if I'm honest

I've just edited my post with a journal article I found detailing the motivations of prison rape. NB I'm not saying it's all about power, there could be a sexual element as well, I'm just trying to understand.
But I don't blame you for not really wanting to know about this stuff, I just don't get why people assume stuff and assert their assumptions when there's a whole load of knowledge on the internet that you can just find, so you don't have to assume anymore. Not a dig, I just don't get it

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Rape is about dominance and not so much about sex, I agree on this. However I think the circumstances of being locked up with only men do mean that in general you could assume it was mainly sexual tension that made them rape other men, when if outside of prison if they were to rape their victim would likely be female and not male.[/QUOTE]

If a man raped another man in any situation he would still be a rapist. Only he could know if he was attracted to other men and/or women.