How come Asian students achieve A/A* at GCSE Language?

You're at a top university so people with CCC wouldn't have got on those courses. Secondly, the places filled by international students are paid for by international students. The funding paid for by taxpayers are the places filled by UK students. If those international places were vacant - as many are, take a look at clearing lists at leading universities, many arts subjects are in there but aren't filled - they don't then go to UK/EU applicants.

As for the brain drain, thousands of Chinese students do get educated in their home country. Have you not heard about the millions who want to leave the farms and make it to the city? Their economy is so large I wouldn't consider a few hundred thousand international students across the world as a 'brain drain'.

I don't see why you're so against them, they're doing British students a massive favour.

Your issues seem more internal than external.

I am not sure why other people in your class looking at their iphones has anything to do with you if they are not actually disrupting the class by being noisy.

You should be concentrating on the class rather than be so easily distracted by other students.

You also seem to be unaware that academia is a very international affair. People travel all over the world to work and study and exchange ideas. You rather colloquial attitude is at odds with that. I think hemp will do you good, help you to chill.

It's kind of annoying that they're sat there doing nothing and not participating when there could quite easily be another student sat there who actually speaks the language, understands the work and takes part.

It's frustrating to hear of British students not getting places on courses and then to see foreign students who are here because they can buy their way in doing naff all. Yeah, its their money they're wasting, but still the point stands. They're a waste of a damn place.

Have you read anything anyone's been saying???


UK students are not in competition with international applicants for university places.

Chinese emigrants to the UK and other developed countries are usually the top few % of IQ from their home country.

It's kind of annoying that they're sat there doing nothing and not participating when there could quite easily be another student sat there who actually speaks the language, understands the work and takes part.

It's frustrating to hear of British students not getting places on courses and then to see foreign students who are here because they can buy their way in doing naff all. Yeah, its their money they're wasting, but still the point stands. They're a waste of a damn place.

Is this really true? Most of the guys I know who came to the UK or went to the US were the better off students as opposed to the most smart.Even scholarships, which are meant to even out the playing field, were mostly awarded to private school kids because public schooling is so sh*ty here in Africa.

africa is a continent not a country

Jesus Christ man. I understand that, you don't need to put it in bold underline.

UK students are not in competition because places are set aside for them, right? International quotas and such? Yes?

Well, if the international quota for my course is, say, ten places out of forty, and seven of those ten students simply don't participate, its still a waste of a space.

The only barrier to home students getting places is not getting the grades, you seem to be arguing that grades should not be a barrier to getting on a course.

You seem to be incapable of understanding the implications of what you are saying.

I know in China and SE Asian countries they start learning English in their equivalent of year one in primary school. And most who immigrate to the UK are from middle and upper class families and were probably taught in better schools and had plenty of private tuition, the Chinese will spend a fortune on tuition! I think it's pretty sad that most of us born in the UK can't speak other languages like people in other countries can speak English. I suppose it's our own fault.


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Excuse me but where I did say grades shouldn't be a barrier?

You're very much misunderstanding my point - If I've worded or communicated it badly then I accept fault for that.

If a course has fifty places, fifteen of which are reserved for international students, and those international students can't actually speak good enough English to get by - they're only there for the university to cash in - is that not a waste of a space?

Why not give it to a British citizen who can speak English and who can do group work?

If next term I have assessed group work, I'd be very unhappy if I was put in the same group as one or more foreign students who can't speak the language. The overall work quality will suffer and so might my own grade.

What's far more interesting is what they have to give up for their A/A* or firsts at University level - caution - stereotyping:
A) They are better-off students who don't get to enjoy much of it until they retire/spend it on schools/unis for their own kids
B) They lack independence. They have been listening to their parents their whole life.
C) Consequently, most Asian international students are rather childish in the way they act (mostly girls, but guys as well - interested in pokemon and stuff like that -- wtf?)
C) Most don't have boyfriends or girlfriends until they are in their twenties.

What it comes down to in the end is hard work. I just think their approach to life is critically flawed, as they want to provide for future generations, without living their life themselves.

It's rather easy to get good marks without studying as much as they do - so why be so anal about studies all the time?

Excuse me but where I did say grades shouldn't be a barrier?

You're very much misunderstanding my point - If I've worded or communicated it badly then I accept fault for that.

If a course has fifty places, fifteen of which are reserved for international students, and those international students can't actually speak good enough English to get by - they're only there for the university to cash in - is that not a waste of a space?

Why not give it to a British citizen who can speak English and who can do group work?

If next term I have assessed group work, I'd be very unhappy if I was put in the same group as one or more foreign students who can't speak the language. The overall work quality will suffer and so might my own grade.

What's far more interesting is what they have to give up for their A/A* or firsts at University level - caution - stereotyping:
A) They are better-off students who don't get to enjoy much of it until they retire/spend it on schools/unis for their own kids
B) They lack independence. They have been listening to their parents their whole life.
C) Consequently, most Asian international students are rather childish in the way they act (mostly girls, but guys as well - interested in pokemon and stuff like that -- wtf?)
C) Most don't have boyfriends or girlfriends until they are in their twenties.

What it comes down to in the end is hard work. I just think their approach to life is critically flawed, as they want to provide for future generations, without living their life themselves.

It's rather easy to get good marks without studying as much as they do - so why be so anal about studies all the time?

True they start learning english when they are very young. Think the reason why we are lazy to learn other languages is because we can speak our own language around the world. The fact that English is an international language makes people less motivated to learn something new