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Bob Crow's Council House

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I find it laughable how he kept saying "but what if I didn't have the job?" Well he does have the job. And just because he was born in a council home that doesn't mean he should stay in it or be allowed to stay in it even if he's earning £100,000 a year.
Absurd.
Original post by Aspiringlawstudent
There shouldn't be council houses at all. Why should one part of society pay for another part that can't take care of itself?


So people that can't afford to own and/or upkeep a place of their own should...what...be homeless?
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Original post by tsnake23
At the moment the council can't differentiate the rent for council housing between high and low earners. However the government might be introducing plans to force high earners to pay a higher rent which is a good idea. I would love to see if Bob stays put if he is charged the full rent, would make a good story if he decides to move.



His council house is in a part of London with a shortage of low cost council housing, there is no doubt a waiting list for his type of property and he is living in.



Council subsidised rent are set at significantly low levels so I doubt councils would make much money from them after maintenance costs.

Also you can already buy a council house with the Right to Buy scheme. I'm guessing Bob doesn't because he doesn't qualify (e.g. already owns another home somewhere else) or prefers the taxpayer to pick up the maintenance costs for his home.



Oh but he is! His house could go for at least double the rent that he is paying if it were at market rate. Plus all house maintenance costs and repairs get charged to the council as they are landlords of the house.
Yeah, that is a good idea, and is a flaw in the current system. I'd want to try that before kicking out people once they started earning a certain amount.



In London this issue is already being addressed via a couple of ways, mainly:

1. All new housing developments over a certain size must include a certain percentage of social housing within that development.

2. More and more ex-council properties in London are becoming available for sale privately after being bought using the right-to-buy scheme.

3. Council estate ghettos are being demolished or redeveloped and mixed in with private housing.

The general trend (in London at least) is that private housing is becoming more mixed with social housing. Bob Crow's argument is therefore not really relevant and certainly not a good excuse for staying in a council house.

What's the difference between him staying there and some random other rich person staying there? They'd still be occupying a potential home for poor people if that's the line of argument. Is the issue more that he's living somewhere for cheaper despite being richer than average? If so, I'd agree, and would then agree with a proposal to make rent dependent on income/assets.

Original post by L i b
But the whole point is surely that they're providing affordable housing for people who would, otherwise, not be able to afford homes. The reason it is government-run is to ensure that housing framework is there for the low-paid and the needy.
If the issue is that of cost, then the problem is the council not charging him enough, or higher up. If the issue is homes available, then more housing can be built, and it has to and will be built anyway (though not fast enough, of course).



Your argument is perfectly legitimate, but we already take this into account in planning arrangements. We don't build council estates to be ghettos and, where we have, we should alter them. This is especially not a problem in London, where Mr Crow lives.

Anyway, I'm not sure why Bob Crow thinks his family are somehow maintaining the social order of his area, and that a family earning a modest income would somehow disrupt it. Seems a bit of a bizarre accusation really.

Yes I'm stereotyping, but poor people are more likely to be involved in the sort of crime that makes people scared to be out at night. You get peanuts for doing it, and it detracts from your ability to do a normal full time higher paid job. If a community of council housed people ends up becoming millionaires all happy living there, then that would be the ideal and I don't see why we should do anything to obstruct that especially with a policy that would increase the chances of violent crime in the area. Building more homes provides jobs too, which can't be a bad thing (unless you go as far as China, and of course there's the 'problem' of house prices falling).
Reply 23
and to top it off, he supports millwall as well :lol:
Original post by UniOfLife
Simple question: Am I missing something here? I always assumed that council houses and flats were for people who couldn't afford to rent privately. Is Crow just full of complete **** or does he have a point? Because when I heard it I couldn't quite believe that someone could be that moronic and be the head of a major union. So either I'm missing something about his justification or something in the RMT union is totally ****ed up.


He probably honestly does want everyone to live in a government-owned house because he's quite a hard core socialist. But yeah, council house rents at present are subsidised and are meant for the poor. In effect what he's doing is getting the state to subsidise his rent despite the fact he's in the top few % of earners.
Reply 25
I hate Bob Crow :colonhash:
Most unpleasant. I wish he'd pay his way instead of leaching off the rest of us.

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