[democracyforum]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1870496.html

Matthew Heimbach wants to start a group at Towson University specifically for white students.

“We essentially want to replicate what every student union does on campus,” Heimbach, a senior at Towson, told the student newspaper. “You have a Black student Union who promotes black heroes, we want to do the same thing.”

Heimbach claims he has 17 students interested in joining, and they've been posting fliers around campus to attract more potential members.

"We'd also want to create a safe space for members who have filed hate/bias reports and who have had anti-white language used against them,” Heimbach said. "Especially the female members who have heard 'cracker' and 'honkie,' and nothing has ever come of it. It’s a support network for a campus that is hostile toward white students."

[badcheesecrispy]

In usual left wing nutter style, this guy will be branded racist and his union will not be allowed, whilst Black Student Union and Muslim Student Union continues to operate

Lefters will again fail to recognise their hypocrisy and fascism

Is there a Christian Student Union?

[soolo]

shouldn't be either

[Psyk]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
In usual left wing nutter style, this guy will be branded racist and his union will not be allowed, whilst Black Student Union and Muslim Student Union continues to operate

Lefters will again fail to recognise their hypocrisy and fascism

Is there a Christian Student Union?

Most universities have a Christian union.

[That Bearded Man]

If the man is right, and it is a black dominated campus, it would be ironic if he was persecuted for creating a union for the "minority"

Also, what does he mean by "white hero," are they going to be scientists, politicians?

[democracyforum]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
If the man is right, and it is a black dominated campus, it would be ironic if he was persecuted for creating a union for the "minority"

Also, what does he mean by "white hero," are they going to be scientists, politicians?

There are Asian unions, African American, Chinese, Jewish, Hispanic, and other ethnic exclusive unions.

They require no reasoning or justification.

[rmpr97]

If this was a student trying to start up a black union, or Asian union, or Latino union nothing would be said of it.

It seems as if racism is only racism when it's white people according to this quote from the article.

The Towerlight reported Heimbach posted on Facebook after he tried to get a page started for his new "White Pride" group. "So Facebook banned me for a day and took down the Towson University White Student Union page for 'hate speech,'" Heimbach wrote. "Funny enough, the Towson University Black Student Union page is still up.”

Edit: Got negged, you gonna tell me why? Or can't?

[boba]

is there hardly any white people there or something? While I don't see a problem with it, he should be allowed to do that if they are allowed to be black unions and stuff, I don't really see the point. Unless it was just to make a point? In that case I dunno if they have succeeded or not.

[democracyforum]

Hypocrist is rife in America.

[sugar-n-spice]

Few will join but he has the right to do it.

Although now the page has finally loaded the guy doing it sounds like he's a dick.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by rmpr97)
If this was a student trying to start up a black union, or Asian union, or Latino union nothing would be said of it.

It seems as if racism is only racism when it's white people according to this quote from the article.



Edit: Got negged, you gonna tell me why? Or can't?

Well said

Seems their bigoted and feeble minds cant think up an excuse yet, give it a day or so

[boba]

I hadn't read the article when I wrote my last comment. While I stand by it I think I should add that the guy sounds like a complete dick and it seems like it will be more of a "we hate people who aren't white" club than a white pride thing or a whatever they are calling it and if thats the case it wouldn't be ok.

[TheHistoryStudent]

Provided he doesn't spread hatred or anything then I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to do it if there are African unions, Asian unions and so on (basically unions based around ethnicity/nationality - religious ones are a bit different in my view because they don't necessarily lend themselves to any particular race). If his intentions are not nefarious then to deny him the chance to make such a union is hypocrisy and just plain wrong in my view...

I think though, that white only groups have become so tied up with white supremacism, racism, and basically lots of nasty things that it'll be virtually impossible to shake image off to be honest. Still though, it doesn't mean that's an ideology he subscribes to, and hell, there's always got to be someone who's the first to do something (in this case, try to create a white group which breaks away from white supremacism...)

EDIT: Reading the article (which I should have read before I read the comments admittedly...) it seems his union is more about racial divides than racial harmony in my view, so I suppose it's not as clear cut as I thought...

[pinklego]

unfortunately this double standard that exists only increases a sense of victimisation among white people.

personally i wish all these special interest unions were closed down but if they exist then it is not possible to say that white unions are not allowed also.

[Kiss]

(Original post by boba)
is there hardly any white people there or something? While I don't see a problem with it, he should be allowed to do that if they are allowed to be black unions and stuff, I don't really see the point. Unless it was just to make a point? In that case I dunno if they have succeeded or not.

I don't see a huge point but its the principle - if there is a black union allowed then there should be a white one allowed.

(Original post by TheHistoryStudent)
Provided he doesn't spread hatred or anything then I see no reason why he shouldn't be allowed to do it if there are African unions, Asian unions and so on (basically unions based around ethnicity/nationality - religious ones are a bit different in my view because they don't necessarily lend themselves to any particular race). If his intentions are not nefarious then to deny him the chance to make such a union is hypocrisy and just plain wrong in my view...

I think though, that white only groups have become so tied up with white supremacism, racism, and basically lots of nasty things that it'll be virtually impossible to shake image off to be honest. Still though, it doesn't mean that's an ideology he subscribes to, and hell, there's always got to be someone who's the first to do something (in this case, try to create a white group which breaks away from white supremacism...)

EDIT: Reading the article (which I should have read before I read the comments admittedly...) it seems his union is more about racial divides than racial harmony in my view, so I suppose it's not as clear cut as I thought...

Apply that to any other union based on race. Otherwise don't apply it at all. That is what 'equality' is about, though that seems not to apply to whites anymore lest we be deemed 'racist'.

[boba]

(Original post by Kiss)
I don't see a huge point but its the principle - if there is a black union allowed then there should be a white one allowed.



Apply that to any other union based on race. Otherwise don't apply it at all. That is what 'equality' is about, though that seems not to apply to whites anymore lest we be deemed 'racist'.

oh I agree that it should completely be allowed just wondering why he wants to do it. I also agree that dancing everywhere instead of walking should be allowed but I don't see why anyone would

[Kiss]

(Original post by boba)
oh I agree that it should completely be allowed just wondering why he wants to do it. I also agree that dancing everywhere instead of walking should be allowed but I don't see why anyone would

I'm wondering as well since he seems to have a background of being affliated with racist groups. But I'm still standing against the concept of double standards.

[fudgesundae]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
In usual left wing nutter style, this guy will be branded racist and his union will not be allowed, whilst Black Student Union and Muslim Student Union continues to operate

Lefters will again fail to recognise their hypocrisy and fascism

Is there a Christian Student Union?

Why are you equating religious unions to unions based on ethnicity? One does not have to be of a certain ethnicity to join the Muslim or Christian Union.

[mynameisntbobk]

Read the title and thought racist. Actually read what he wanted to do and thought there's nothing wrong with it. Its only logical that all groups are given equal rights, whether its creating a group for a particular race/religion/sexual orientation as long as it doesn't promote or spread racism, sexism, homophobia, or general discrimination, then I don't see a problem; you know, other than exclusion.

Edit: didn't actually bother reading the news article

[shenanigan93]

I'm black and I don't see a problem with this. However, I don't really understand the need to create a society for any race, whether that be white, black, Asian or anything else. I understand why international students might want to have their own group if they've come over to Britain for the first time, just like if I went to a university abroad, I would be happy to join a group there for British students (or international students in general). However, why, as someone who was born and raised in Britain, would I feel the need to join a group exclusively for black people? It's not like I've been rejected by all the other races and need to "find my own kind" or something, haha. One of my friends, who is also black, is a member of some sort of African/Caribbean society at her university. I don't know much about it so perhaps I'm not really justified in giving my opinion on it, but I don't understand why it's necessary. There are plenty of black people around for me to befriend if I want to, but I've never really felt the need to seek them out and socialise with them separately.
If anyone wants to neg me that's fine, but please give a reason. This topic genuinely interests (and confuses) me.