Tired of the Muslim Myth

This is cultural behaviour not religious behaviour.

You only belittle yourself by equating criticism of a religion and it's followers with wanton street thuggery and neo-nazism, assuming of course that you were referencing the famous EDL interview. Ironic then that you do little more than prove you belong more with EDL idiots than you do with critiquing one persons belief in a fair and honest discussion.

EDIT: That's not to say that I agree with the OP.

1. The vast majority was appalled by the riots, and the rioters were punished.
2. The riots were perpetrated by idiots and thugs. At least they weren't so deluded that they believed ther actions were demanded by their absurd religion.
3. It makes no difference if the British embassy was stormed in Sudan. The Americans were part of the coalition which supported efforts in Libya, even if they did not send planes, and in return their ambassoder is murdered. These people are happy to take from the West but still hate the West.

1. Obviously the number of rioters is a minority - but it is not a small minority when compared to any other religion.

2. The killers are representatives. When 9/11 or 7/7 happened, why did we not storm the embassies of Muslim nations and murder the innocent people there? Because we are not a savage civilisation. But every Muslim nation in the world has such a flawed society that overnight they can raise a huge murderous mob in response to a harmless video. And the newly-elected governments - representatives of the people - condemn the violence in public but how much effort have they put into stopping the violence or catching the criminals? The Egyptian government think that protests should happen over the video - America didn't make the video!

Every thread on TSR, every liberal in the world says the same thing: 'The violent Muslims are a small minority of the Muslim community. Most Muslims are peaceful and condemn violence and those who commit violence are not true Muslims.'

Bull.

People say this because they do not want to seem racist and politicians say it because they are afraid of deepening the divide between Muslims and non-Muslims in their country.

In reaction to a video, Muslims in at least 11 countries around the world have killed and rioted. A video created by a handful of Americans leads Muslims around the world to not only kill Americans, but also storm embassies of Germany and UK - simply because they are white western countries.

It's disgusting. The Libyan people were desperate and crying out for help. The Americans backed the UN action which saved their lives and freed them. They respons by killing the US ambassader.

So overall, Islam breeds savagery and I do not get why 'freedom of religion' is held in such high importance. Islam is a cult that brainwashes children and leads them to value pride over life - but it is protected by human rights. People are schocked by scientology - they call it a dangerous cult - but I would replace every Muslim in this country with a scientologist if I could. When was the last time a scientologist riot happened; when was the last time a scientologist blew up innocent people because they want to attribute glory to their pathetic empty existence?

Judging an entire religion by the acts of a few of its members. A lot of histories serial killers are white, do we then make threads saying that we're tired "of the white myth" . I don't agree with the acts of these people, but the film itself is abuse of freedom of speech. Not to say that anyone, belief or ideology is immune from criticism, but when the sole purpose of something is to purely offend and not create any legitimate debate or insight, who are we to say they should not be offended.

I'm not condoning this action i feel its despicable, but i'm sure if we the human race didn't go out of our way to offend each other for no legitimate reason, this stuff would NOT be happening.

1. Obviously the number of rioters is a minority - but it is not a small minority when compared to any other religion.

2. The killers are representatives. When 9/11 or 7/7 happened, why did we not storm the embassies of Muslim nations and murder the innocent people there? Because we are not a savage civilisation. But every Muslim nation in the world has such a flawed society that overnight they can raise a huge murderous mob in response to a harmless video. And the newly-elected governments - representatives of the people - condemn the violence in public but how much effort have they put into stopping the violence or catching the criminals? The Egyptian government think that protests should happen over the video - America didn't make the video!

I never said, nor inferred that you condoned anything, if that's the message I got across, then I apolgoise. With that being said, the greatest foundation of our liberal democratic system is the freedom of thought and speech, freedoms that are essential in perpetuating a freer society. There should never be freedom from having ones feelings hurt as this is detrimental to society as a whole. I'm offended every day, but equally I've the ability to offend anyone I choose - and rightly so.

Think about it, what justification can there be (and again, I'm not inferring that you have justified recent events, I'm merely running through my thoughts) for violence, criminality and murder, not simply in the name of a religion, but in the name of 'being offended'. It's absolutely ludicrous.


EDIT: Also, I've just read through your post again and noticed you use the term 'abuse of freedom of speech', or some such. This is an absolutely disgusting prospect, to limit ones own freedoms without threatening harm to another individual. Ridiculous.

7/7 was done by British born people, what foreign embassy would people storm?

Not every muslim nation has a flawed society, though quite a lot do.

Just thought I'd throw this into the mix:

'The British think tank Quilliam has argued that the attackers in Libya were too heavily armed and organized to merely be angry protesters, suggesting that the American fatalities in Benghazi were the result of a pre-planned revenge attack by al-Qaeda for the killing of Abu Yahya al-Libi three months prior and the protest outside the consulate was just a diversion'

If we take a leaf from the book of the people storming embassies right now (figure of speech, I don't mean the Quran), then the closest embassy with brown people in it. What I mean is that British and German embassies have been attacked, despite the fact the video came from the USA (as far as we know anyway). So presumably they just attacked them because they are white.

Wouldn't surprise me. Considering the video has been kicking around for ages without being noticed, I bet someone intentionally brought it into the limelight to whip people into an anti-Western frenzy. Do we even know where the video came from? For all we know it could have been commissioned by an Islamist organisation for that purpose.

If we take a leaf from the book of the people storming embassies right now (figure of speech, I don't mean the Quran), then the closest embassy with brown people in it. What I mean is that British and German embassies have been attacked, despite the fact the video came from the USA (as far as we know anyway). So presumably they just attacked them because they are white.

Don't forget to add tolerance to that list as well. Believe it or not though there are limits to tolerance too, there are limits to freedom, and there are limits to speech. Inciting racial hatred is a crime, and we are not allowed to carry out any act we desire if it does not follow the law, which is a limit on our freedom.

Believe it or not, freedom of speech can be abused. As i said above if one uses his freedom of speech to incite hatred, that is plain abuse, with every ounce of power any entity is gifted with, there is room for abuse.

I'm not saying religion is free of criticism, but this film was not criticism, just plain offensive looking to incite tension and uproar. If i came into your house and insulted your mother how would you feel? You'd probably say you'd do nothing, but i'm sure at least one member of your close or extended family would get physical if i insulted their mother.

German embassy likely attacked over recent court ruling that circumcising children was assault and outlawed, effectively forbidding common Jewish and Muslim religious practices. British embassy next door, angry mobs often have poor aim.

There's a big difference between breaking into somebody's home and producing a film that upsets the feelings of savages. All of the abrahamic belief systems disgust me, neigh, they offend me. Yet I live by the basic principle of live and let life, freedom of speech and freedom of expression.


I may detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it-- Voltaire.

I'll leave with you a brilliant quote for you to consider, whilst you contemplate an argument that stands up to inspection.

Well what are these angry mobs trying to achieve if they don't even make it clear what they're angry about? And if it really was because of the circumcision thing, it really does show how stupid these people are, considering Germany hasn't banned circumcision at all, and in fact the government has publicly said they support the practice. Ah, but who cares about the details, they clearly just want to smash stuff up.

I'm not saying religion is free of criticism, but this film was not criticism, just plain offensive looking to incite tension and uproar. If i came into your house and insulted your mother how would you feel? You'd probably say you'd do nothing, but i'm sure at least one member of your close or extended family would get physical if i insulted their mother.

I never said, nor inferred that you condoned anything, if that's the message I got across, then I apolgoise. With that being said, the greatest foundation of our liberal democratic system is the freedom of thought and speech, freedoms that are essential in perpetuating a freer society. There should never be freedom from having ones feelings hurt as this is detrimental to society as a whole. I'm offended every day, but equally I've the ability to offend anyone I choose - and rightly so.

Think about it, what justification can there be (and again, I'm not inferring that you have justified recent events, I'm merely running through my thoughts) for violence, criminality and murder, not simply in the name of a religion, but in the name of 'being offended'. It's absolutely ludicrous.


EDIT: Also, I've just read through your post again and noticed you use the term 'abuse of freedom of speech', or some such. This is an absolutely disgusting prospect, to limit ones own freedoms without threatening harm to another individual. Ridiculous.

seems like you're reading straight out of Andrew Heywood's "Political Ideologies"

There is a difference, but for a religious person, insulting their God is even worse than insulting ones mother. I'm not saying it's right, but just as a boy deals in drugs and get shot to which everyone says "play with fire and get burnt" , the same can be said for this. making such a film is playing with fire. Were there riots after the "Life of Mohammed" films? or the "Islam:untold story" documentaries? no they were not there to offend but for a legitimate purpose