Woman who falsely claimed rape by 3 men - jailed for 2 years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204712/Woman-falsely-claimed-raped-men-regretted-having-sex-jailed-years.html?ICO=most_read_module

i wasnt sure if a thread had been created on this. i read this story with absolute disgust and horror! she didnt like the fact she had sex with them on a night out (entirely her actions so she should take responsibility for what she did) so she thought she would be a slimy, back-stabbing, evil little **** and cry rape. her plans backfired. how has she not got an equal sentence that the men would get if they were found guilty of rape? she should get at least 10 years in jail, if not longer.

too many women in society abuse their equal rights whether that be paying for a date, refusing to do any initiating with a guy, gaining an advantage just because they are a woman, or falsely claiming rape. she should be treated the same as a man who raped and be given a very long prison sentence. hopefully that will make other women think twice about falsely claiming rape.

They do it because it's harder for the man/men to disprove, it's the only crime that's "guilty until proven innocent, and then if you're innocent, we think you did it anyway".

The whole thing is probably weighted 90%:10% in favour of the woman.

Until an example is made of it, it'll keep happening.

Well perpetuating the notion that a man should be ashamed of being raped doesn't help matters at all. It's the same with domestic violence against males. Once we begin accepting that such things can happen to both genders and they are equally unacceptable without one being considered more shameful or even humorous (which is a distasteful view taken against male rape victims) then we might see a positive change in rape victims coming forward.



A woman doesn't have a penis to penetrate in the first place, strictly speaking. But she can be convicted of sexual assault/assault by penetration (if say she uses an object) or being an accessory to a rape.



Rape is taken very seriously. It's just that cases like these skew the public perception and strengthen any reasonable doubt that a jury may have in future cases. A lot of the problem is, of course, an evidential one but cases like these won't instil any great desire in a genuine rape victim to come forward, and with the number of unreported rapes and low conviction rates, that isn't the result that we want.

Okay, I'm sorry but this really stresses me out because that's completely wrong and that kind of attitude is not good! It's NEVER "guilty until proven innocent" you've completely made that up! It's always "Innocent until proven guilty and it's so damn hard to prove a rapist guilty because it's so hard to get evidence especially when the rape victims don't report it immediately and wait so and DNA on their clothes e.g sperm is washed away"

Here's the truth:

Most rape victims don't even take their case to court. They're scared of what people will say i.e "so were you drunk, it's your fault" "your clothes were too slutty" "you flirted THATS CONSENT" "he's your boyfriend how can he rape you?!" and all those stupid stupid things, along with other reasons - fear, knowledge that their rapist won't get convicted, they don't want to have to go through the trauma of a court case, and so on. Rape is a REALLY unreported crime (much like domestic violence), in cases of both men and women. Most cases that are taken to court are the ones that are 'acceptable' i.e the stranger in the dark alley using physical violence on a white girl, rather than, say, the black woman who got drunk and was date raped by her 'friend'.

Under 40% of rapists are charged. [http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf] <--- that's for the USA but it won't be amazingly different here.

I swear I read somewhere it was an estimated 3% of rapist who spend a day in jail. (wait no, it's in that link),

Most of these court cases end without a conviction (18% conviction) due to lack of evidence.

Yeah, so basically, my point is, it doesn't favour the woman and you made up that statistic.

Sadly, a lot of the rape cases that ARE taken to court are false accusations. (I saw this great visual last year and it had people on and they were coloured depending on what they were and out of every 2 or 3 rape cases, 1 was a false accusation. But there were loads that were never taken to court).

Unfortunately, this high level of false accusation means that genuine rape victims are often suspected of being liars themselves and don't get the support they need

We need to work on encouraging and supporting rape victims to go to court because they think the conviction rate is lower than it actually is. And also change attitudes towards rape since a shocking amount of young men say they would rape if they could get away with it, and it's okay in this study of a college in the USA, and again with attitudes of young people e.g · 65% of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months.
[http://www.uic.edu/depts/owa/sa_rape_support.html]

I mean a lot of those statistics are a mix of American and British, but you get the point.

I'm so defensive over rape victims, I know too many who've not got justice and still suffer with it because they didn't dare take their case to court because of society's poopy attitudes towards them.

Interesting reading:
http://www.rainn.org/statistics
http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6314445.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17487519
http://www.bunker8.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/misc/brighton1.htm
http://www.nus.org.uk/en/campaigns/womens/britain-has-worst-rape-conviction-rate-/

They do it because it's harder for the man/men to disprove, it's the only crime that's "guilty until proven innocent, and then if you're innocent, we think you did it anyway".

The whole thing is probably weighted 90%:10% in favour of the woman.

Until an example is made of it, it'll keep happening.

Although I agree that the woman in this case is despicable, I have to take issue with your post.

Given that (approximately) 17 out 18 rapists never receive any punishments for their crimes, I can't help but think that the system does not operate in favour of the victims.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204712/Woman-falsely-claimed-raped-men-regretted-having-sex-jailed-years.html?ICO=most_read_module

i wasnt sure if a thread had been created on this. i read this story with absolute disgust and horror! she didnt like the fact she had sex with them on a night out (entirely her actions so she should take responsibility for what she did) so she thought she would be a slimy, back-stabbing, evil little **** and cry rape. her plans backfired. how has she not got an equal sentence that the men would get if they were found guilty of rape? she should get at least 10 years in jail, if not longer.

too many women in society abuse their equal rights whether that be paying for a date, refusing to do any initiating with a guy, gaining an advantage just because they are a woman, or falsely claiming rape. she should be treated the same as a man who raped and be given a very long prison sentence. hopefully that will make other women think twice about falsely claiming rape.

I agree what she did is pretty ****ing awful and she should be sent to prison for it as should any woman, but right now im more concerned with the fact only 7% of rapists are actually getting convicted.

Under 40% of rapists are charged. [http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf] <--- that's for the USA but it won't be amazingly different here.

Okay, I'm sorry but this really stresses me out because that's completely wrong and that kind of attitude is not good! It's NEVER "guilty until proven innocent" you've completely made that up! It's always "Innocent until proven guilty and it's so damn hard to prove a rapist guilty because it's so hard to get evidence especially when the rape victims don't report it immediately and wait so and DNA on their clothes e.g sperm is washed away"

Here's the truth:

Most rape victims don't even take their case to court. They're scared of what people will say i.e "so were you drunk, it's your fault" "your clothes were too slutty" "you flirted THATS CONSENT" "he's your boyfriend how can he rape you?!" and all those stupid stupid things, along with other reasons - fear, knowledge that their rapist won't get convicted, they don't want to have to go through the trauma of a court case, and so on. Rape is a REALLY unreported crime (much like domestic violence), in cases of both men and women. Most cases that are taken to court are the ones that are 'acceptable' i.e the stranger in the dark alley using physical violence on a white girl, rather than, say, the black woman who got drunk and was date raped by her 'friend'.

Under 40% of rapists are charged. [http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf] <--- that's for the USA but it won't be amazingly different here.

I swear I read somewhere it was an estimated 3% of rapist who spend a day in jail. (wait no, it's in that link),

Most of these court cases end without a conviction (18% conviction) due to lack of evidence.

Yeah, so basically, my point is, it doesn't favour the woman and you made up that statistic.

Sadly, a lot of the rape cases that ARE taken to court are false accusations. (I saw this great visual last year and it had people on and they were coloured depending on what they were and out of every 2 or 3 rape cases, 1 was a false accusation. But there were loads that were never taken to court).

Unfortunately, this high level of false accusation means that genuine rape victims are often suspected of being liars themselves and don't get the support they need

We need to work on encouraging and supporting rape victims to go to court because they think the conviction rate is lower than it actually is. And also change attitudes towards rape since a shocking amount of young men say they would rape if they could get away with it, and it's okay in this study of a college in the USA, and again with attitudes of young people e.g · 65% of the boys and 47% of the girls said it was acceptable for a boy to rape a girl if they had been dating for more than six months.
[http://www.uic.edu/depts/owa/sa_rape_support.html]

I mean a lot of those statistics are a mix of American and British, but you get the point.

I'm so defensive over rape victims, I know too many who've not got justice and still suffer with it because they didn't dare take their case to court because of society's poopy attitudes towards them.

Interesting reading:
http://www.rainn.org/statistics
http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6314445.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17487519
http://www.bunker8.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/misc/brighton1.htm
http://www.nus.org.uk/en/campaigns/womens/britain-has-worst-rape-conviction-rate-/

Repping this post doesn't really cut it- what makes me so sad about things like this is that then it gets reported in the media, and people use it as an excuse to claim that rape is only rape if a woman is attacked by a stranger in an alley and that it doesn't count if she was drunk, or knew her attacker or was wearing revealing clothes and that she's probably lying to hide her shame about being a "slut".

The point is, you only know for sure that it was rape if the victim is dragged off the street. Of course there's going to be some doubt if the only people who could possibly know if there was consent or not are the two biased people involved in the case.

If they aren't convicted of rape, how do you know they're guilty of rape?



Are you referring to this: "The National Violence Against Women
Survey (7) estimated that 37% of reported rapes of adult
women were prosecuted."

Is that not reported rapes? The woman this thread is about reported rape... You are essentially saying that whenever someone is accused of rape, they are therefore a rapist. That is quite clearly not the case.

...No, I said very clearly that an estimated 1 out of 2/3 (can't remember which) women who take a rape case to court are lying...So as for me saying that whenever someone is accused of rape, they are therefore a rapist is quite clearly not true as I myself stated in my post the opposite! Did you miss that part I know my post was pretty long haha, got carried away a little...

And I wasn't actually on about the woman in the thread, she's actually pretty irrelevant to my point, I was just challenging the person's post who said that rape cases are 90% in favour of the woman, a statistic he just pulled out of his ass lol, and I was trying to prove that's not the case because it's actually very hard for women to be seen fully as victims

Yes, but my point isn't that we should instantly convict everyone accused of rape, my point is that incidents like this encourage a narrow and victim blaming view of rape that a worrying amount of people have.

another story

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205067/Woman-stabbed-man-refused-sex-threatened-rape-went-hospital-treatment.html