[MAY476]

Hey there guys, I'm currently an A2 student keen on pursuing a career in Law and will hopefully maintain this through University. My predicted grades for A2 and on my UCAS are most likely to be ( CCD) but the Universities which i have chosen all require at least ( BBB ).Now my five Universities are:
1) BPP Univeristy College
2) Bradford Uni
3) Coventry Uni
4) Chester Uni
5) Notts Trent
What chances do you guys think i've got of getting into to one of my five options?
Will i get straight rejects?

[Minerva]

(Original post by MAY476)
Hey there guys, I'm currently an A2 student keen on pursuing a career in Law and will hopefully maintain this through University. My predicted grades for A2 and on my UCAS are most likely to be ( CCD) but the Universities which i have chosen all require at least ( BBB ).Now my five Universities are:
1) BPP Univeristy College
2) Bradford Uni
3) Coventry Uni
4) Chester Uni
5) Notts Trent
What chances do you guys think i've got of getting into to one of my five options?
Will i get straight rejects?

Well, probably, to be absolutely honest. There's a big difference between a typical offer of BBB and predicted grades of CCD, so unless that difference can be explained by your personal circumstances, and the uni/s concerned are willing to take those into account, you are likely to lose out in favour of applicants who are expected to achieve those grades.

There's nothing to stop you applying, but if you can't find unis you like whose typical offers are nearer your predictions then your chances of success are going to be limited.

[Hello:D]

(Original post by MAY476)
Hey there guys, I'm currently an A2 student keen on pursuing a career in Law and will hopefully maintain this through University. My predicted grades for A2 and on my UCAS are most likely to be ( CCD) but the Universities which i have chosen all require at least ( BBB ).Now my five Universities are:
1) BPP Univeristy College
2) Bradford Uni
3) Coventry Uni
4) Chester Uni
5) Notts Trent
What chances do you guys think i've got of getting into to one of my five options?
Will i get straight rejects?

As far as I know all those universities had clearing vacancies for Law 2012. Your very likely to get an offer. And even if you don't meet the requirements on results day, the chances are very likely that they will accept you (unless you do EXTREMELY bad).

[Minerva]

(Original post by Hello:D)
As far as I know all those universities had clearing vacancies for Law 2012. Your very likely to get an offer. And even if you don't meet the requirements on results day, the chances are very likely that they will accept you (unless you do EXTREMELY bad).

Just because these unis had vacancies in Clearing does not mean that they were willing to reduce their entry requirements by four grades, or that they are likely to drop their typical offer for 2013 entry. If the unis are asking for BBB it is presumably because they reckon they can fill their places at that level and/or that they know that applicants offering lower grades will struggle with the course content.

In this case the OP's predicted grades are so far below what the unis are asking for it is unlikely in the extreme that he will get past the first 'sift'. Therefore, it makes more sense to either apply with actual grades and make sure that they are very much better than CCD, or to apply now to unis whose entrance requirements are closer to what he is currently offering.

[Hello:D]

(Original post by Minerva)
Just because these unis had vacancies in Clearing does not mean that they were willing to reduce their entry requirements by four grades, or that they are likely to drop their typical offer for 2013 entry. If the unis are asking for BBB it is presumably because they reckon they can fill their places at that level and/or that they know that applicants offering lower grades will struggle with the course content.

In this case the OP's predicted grades are so far below what the unis are asking for it is unlikely in the extreme that he will get past the first 'sift'. Therefore, it makes more sense to either apply with actual grades and make sure that they are very much better than CCD, or to apply now to unis whose entrance requirements are closer to what he is currently offering.

I don't mean to sound disrespectful to OP at all, but the truth is that those universities aren't respectable institutions for law or in general. Therefore, they are known for leniency in order to fill up the spaces.

I know people who applied to some of those universities last year, and although their predicted grades were well off, and they failed to meet the requirements, they still managed to secure a place. There will be even less spaces in those universities for the following years, which makes those universities even more lenient to making offers.

It would be a different scenario if OP was to apply to Oxbridge or any other leading law school.

[Minerva]

(Original post by Hello:D)
I don't mean to sound disrespectful to OP at all, but the truth is that those universities aren't respectable institutions for law or in general. Therefore, they are known for leniency in order to fill up the spaces.

I know people who applied to some of those universities last year, and although their predicted grades were well off, and they failed to meet the requirements, they still managed to secure a place. There will be even less spaces in those universities for the following years, which makes those universities even more lenient to making offers.

And the OP may indeed be lucky - but he asked a straight question and I gave him a straight answer. On the face of it, his chances of offers aren't great. I also don't get why a uni would say they want BBB and settle for CCD, even in Clearing. If so, either they've got delusions of grandeur, or they are hoping that some people who genuinely do have BBB grades will apply.

[Hello:D]

(Original post by Minerva)
And the OP may indeed be lucky - but he asked a straight question and I gave him a straight answer. On the face of it, his chances of offers aren't great. I also don't get why a uni would say they want BBB and settle for CCD, even in Clearing. If so, either they've got delusions of grandeur, or they are hoping that some people who genuinely do have BBB grades will apply.

The reason is because ALL universities want 'clever' students. It makes their department look good. If universities don't get all their spaces filled, they face fines. You seem to be mistaking what the top universities do, with, what all universities do.

And I have witnessed differently to what your saying. For example, I know people who applied to universities with grades Cs to Es at A-Levels for law, at low ranked universities. And like I said previously, they receive offers and secure places, being far from what was asked for.

Just because a university wants high grades, does not it is a good institution. Its a measure taken by many universities to make them look good. The league tables, however, say differently.

To sum up, it very much depends on if OPs universities, have vacancies on their course. Its almost certain they will, so very likely to get an offer, and to secure their place (unless they fail!).

[Minerva]

(Original post by Hello:D)
The reason is because ALL universities want 'clever' students. It makes their department look good. If universities don't get all their spaces filled, they face fines. You seem to be mistaking what the top universities do, with, what all universities do.

And I have witnessed differently to what your saying. For example, I know people who applied to universities with grades Cs to Es at A-Levels for law, at low ranked universities. And like I said previously, they receive offers and secure places, being far from what was asked for.

Just because a university wants high grades, does not it is a good institution. Its a measure taken by many universities to make them look good. The league tables, however, say differently.

To sum up, it very much depends on if OPs universities, have vacancies on their course. Its almost certain they will, so very likely to get an offer, and to secure their place (unless they fail!).

Grade requirements are not a reflection of quality, necessarily; they just as easily reflect fashions in university choices. Unis set entry requirements both by reference to the level of ability required to cope with their course, but also to 'control' volumes of applicants. If a uni sets BBB as its benchmark, even if it does apply some flexibility in practice, that is still more or less what they think the 'market' will stand. So some applicants offering below what the uni says they want may get lucky and receive an offer - and then may get lucky again if they miss it and still get their place. However, if you are predicted CCD, and that's a fair prediction, and you get an offer for, say, BBC, you've still got a lot of ground to make up. So unless there is something else outstanding about your application, the chances are you won't get an offer, and even if you do it may be a real challenge to meet it. It's true that most unis will look beyond the predicted grades, but the OP was in effect asking 'how far beyond?' and in this case I think he'd be setting himself up for a batch of rejections. Picking one or at most two BBB unis would be the most I'd suggest.

See also How to Avoid Getting 5 Rejections

[nulli tertius]

(Original post by Minerva)
Grade requirements are not a reflection of quality, necessarily; they just as easily reflect fashions in university choices. Unis set entry requirements both by reference to the level of ability required to cope with their course, but also to 'control' volumes of applicants. If a uni sets BBB as its benchmark, even if it does apply some flexibility in practice, that is still more or less what they think the 'market' will stand. So some applicants offering below what the uni says they want may get lucky and receive an offer - and then may get lucky again if they miss it and still get their place. However, if you are predicted CCD, and that's a fair prediction, and you get an offer for, say, BBC, you've still got a lot of ground to make up. So unless there is something else outstanding about your application, the chances are you won't get an offer, and even if you do it may be a real challenge to meet it. It's true that most unis will look beyond the predicted grades, but the OP was in effect asking 'how far beyond?' and in this case I think he'd be setting himself up for a batch of rejections. Picking one or at most two BBB unis would be the most I'd suggest.

See also How to Avoid Getting 5 Rejections

Unistats does show the proportion of students entering law at universities with particular tariff points. Obviously these include points for mucking out horses etc. Moreover people admitted with very low UCAS points are probably being admitted via a non-UCAS qualification such as an Access Course or foundation year elsewhere. Despite those caveats Unistats does give an indication of the the real entrance requirements of lower ranking universities.

If one treats BBB as being BBBd, that is 330 UCAS points, more than 65% of Coventry's law students got below that. Likewise if CCD is CCDe, that is 240 points. 38% of Coventry's students had lower UCAS points than 240.

For Bradford 83% scored lower than BBBd and 37% of Bradford's students had less than CCDe or equivalent.

[crystal1330]

Hi,

Not sure about all of the above but I have applied to BPP with an Access course at grades DDDDDDDDDDDMMMMMP and I have been told I will more than likely be asked to sit their entrance exam as well but I have only just sent off my UCAS so I will wait and see. I'm not sure what my grades are in terms of A levels but I have the equivalent of 4 A levels as I took an extra unit of A levels maths too. What they say and what they do may be two different things but I know that they wasn't exactly selling themselfs by using low entry requirements, so I think they are careful about who they chose. Don't forget, grades no not necessarily reflect a students ability, students may have other things on their UCAS that made the university consider them with lower grades, so it doesn't mean the university is not as good because they accept a wider variety of students.