Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?
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Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Well, I've lived in Holland for 6 years then moved to the UK been here ever since, I have a Dutch passport only. I'm a bit confused over what kind of fee I'll be paying.
Here's what it says on the UCAS site:
For 2013 entry onwards, any new applicant who is a 'dual national' (a national of both another EU member state and the UK) will not be entitled to the regulated rate of fees ('home fees') at a Scottish institution and a tuition fee award from the Student Awards Agency For Scotland (SAAS), simply because of their 'other EU member state' nationality. Rather, in order to qualify for home fees and a tuition fee award as an EU student, the individual will have had to have exercised their right of residence in the EEA/Switzerland or have been resident in the non-UK EU member state of which they are also a national for at least three months -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Email them and ask?(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
Well, I've lived in Holland for 6 years then moved to the UK been here ever since, I have a Dutch passport only. I'm a bit confused over what kind of fee I'll be paying.
Here's what it says on the UCAS site:
For 2013 entry onwards, any new applicant who is a 'dual national' (a national of both another EU member state and the UK) will not be entitled to the regulated rate of fees ('home fees') at a Scottish institution and a tuition fee award from the Student Awards Agency For Scotland (SAAS), simply because of their 'other EU member state' nationality. Rather, in order to qualify for home fees and a tuition fee award as an EU student, the individual will have had to have exercised their right of residence in the EEA/Switzerland or have been resident in the non-UK EU member state of which they are also a national for at least three months -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Which part of the UK are you in?
If you're England/Wales/Northern Ireland, I'm pretty sure you'll have the full fees. If it's Scotland obviously not a problem and you'll get paid for. From the looks of that text, just simply being Dutch by passport isn't going to help you - you'd have to live there for 3 months. Almost worth moving if you can, considering the difference in price
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?I've lived here ever since I moved, I went to secondary school plus sixth form here. Does that help?(Original post by Zedd)
Define what you mean by 'moved to the UK'.
I'm from London, I was actually highly considering that, but it has to be done like really soon but then again I'm doing my A levels so when can I make time(Original post by conway!)
Which part of the UK are you in?
If you're England/Wales/Northern Ireland, I'm pretty sure you'll have the full fees. If it's Scotland obviously not a problem and you'll get paid for. From the looks of that text, just simply being Dutch by passport isn't going to help you - you'd have to live there for 3 months. Almost worth moving if you can, considering the difference in price
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Not really. I was actually wondering on where in the UK you reside and for how long... But as you are taking A-Levels I am going to go ahead and say that you'll be classed as an English/RUK applicant and have to pay the full fees.(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
I've lived here ever since I moved, I went to secondary school plus sixth form here. Does that help? -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?That's a shame, it's so unfair that a technicality makes the fees so much higher. As much as I enjoy getting my fees paid for, it doesn't seem right that just over the border and you don't get such a great deal, but someone in Germany or Spain etc can...(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
I'm from London, I was actually highly considering that, but it has to be done like really soon but then again I'm doing my A levels so when can I make time -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Well students in NI with Irish passports don't have to pay full fees. I don't see how a dutch passport holder/citizen is any different.(Original post by conway!)
Which part of the UK are you in?
If you're England/Wales/Northern Ireland, I'm pretty sure you'll have the full fees. If it's Scotland obviously not a problem and you'll get paid for. From the looks of that text, just simply being Dutch by passport isn't going to help you - you'd have to live there for 3 months. Almost worth moving if you can, considering the difference in price
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?If you read the text in the OP:(Original post by bestofyou)
Well students in NI with Irish passports don't have to pay full fees. I don't see how a dutch passport holder/citizen is any different.
For 2013 entry onwards, any new applicant who is a 'dual national' (a national of both another EU member state and the UK) will not be entitled to the regulated rate of fees ('home fees') at a Scottish institution and a tuition fee award from the Student Awards Agency For Scotland (SAAS), simply because of their 'other EU member state' nationality
A student in Northern Ireland with an Irish passport WILL have to pay full fees from 2013 entry onwards. A Dutch passport *was* no different, but is now, if the Dutch/EU passport holder has lived in the UK (but not Scotland) for 3 months. -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?My understanding is that this residency requirement only applies to DUAL nationality folks. Thus if you have only a Dutch passport, then it should be okay. But I do not know how you can prove that you do not have dual nationality, given that you could now also be entitled to a UK passport.(Original post by conway!)
If you read the text in the OP:
For 2013 entry onwards, any new applicant who is a 'dual national' (a national of both another EU member state and the UK) will not be entitled to the regulated rate of fees ('home fees') at a Scottish institution and a tuition fee award from the Student Awards Agency For Scotland (SAAS), simply because of their 'other EU member state' nationality
A student in Northern Ireland with an Irish passport WILL have to pay full fees from 2013 entry onwards. A Dutch passport *was* no different, but is now, if the Dutch/EU passport holder has lived in the UK (but not Scotland) for 3 months. -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Ooh, that makes it confusing. But I think that this new clause is trying to close a loophole where people with dual nationality pick the more favourable nationality. So maybe they're making it residence based, so in this situation s/he has to pay full fees?(Original post by charlestaylor)
My understanding is that this residency requirement only applies to DUAL nationality folks. Thus if you have only a Dutch passport, then it should be okay. But I do not know how you can prove that you do not have dual nationality, given that you could now also be entitled to a UK passport.
...Now it seems more complicated, so really only e-mailing the right people can help! I hope you get home fees though
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?I am entitled but I have to go through naturalisation and that costs a lot of money, and plus I've never come across a situation where I've needed a British passport so don't see the point in getting one.(Original post by charlestaylor)
My understanding is that this residency requirement only applies to DUAL nationality folks. Thus if you have only a Dutch passport, then it should be okay. But I do not know how you can prove that you do not have dual nationality, given that you could now also be entitled to a UK passport.
I was a resident of the Netherlands for six years, was born there left at six. Does that not qualify me as a resident?(Original post by conway!)
Ooh, that makes it confusing. But I think that this new clause is trying to close a loophole where people with dual nationality pick the more favourable nationality. So maybe they're making it residence based, so in this situation s/he has to pay full fees?
...Now it seems more complicated, so really only e-mailing the right people can help! I hope you get home fees though
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?I believe if you've lived in the UK since you were 6 then you'll be a home student. I think it's something like you have to have 10 years residency or something to qualify?
Both of my friends who were born abroad (Ukraine and South Africa) paid home fees, they moved here when they were 12 and 8 respectively. -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Well, I don't know. The text you posted SEEMS to say that no, you are not a Dutch resident when it comes to EU fees (or should I say no fees), and you'll have to pay just as much as a person born in London. Really, nobody here can agree, and I don't know for sure either, so you'll have to e-mail the correct people and check(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
I was a resident of the Netherlands for six years, was born there left at six. Does that not qualify me as a resident?
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I believe if you've lived in the UK since you were 6 then you'll be a home student. I think it's something like you have to have 10 years residency or something to qualify?
Both of my friends who were born abroad (Ukraine and South Africa) paid home fees, they moved here when they were 12 and 8 respectively.
Yeah but home fees are bad in this situation - i.e. OP may have to pay as an English student in Scotland. For your friends, it was *better* to pay home fees, as if they were treated as Ukrainian and South African residents, they'd be paying international fees, more again. -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?I called but their line shut 6mins ago, such a simple question with a confusing answer.(Original post by conway!)
Well, I don't know. The text you posted SEEMS to say that no, you are not a Dutch resident when it comes to EU fees (or should I say no fees), and you'll have to pay just as much as a person born in London. Really, nobody here can agree, and I don't know for sure either, so you'll have to e-mail the correct people and check
Yeah but home fees are bad in this situation - i.e. OP may have to pay as an English student in Scotland. For your friends, it was *better* to pay home fees, as if they were treated as Ukrainian and South African residents, they'd be paying international fees, more again.Last edited by Obscenedilemma; 22-10-2012 at 19:04. -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Some news: I contacted SAAS and they said I'd be eligible to not have to pay tuition fees like an ordinary student if I apply through SAAS.... only catch, and the big catch is that I'd have to forfeit my Student Finance loans for living costs.
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?well if you cant afford to fund your living costs yourself then you'll have to apply for a fee loan from SFE(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
Some news: I contacted SAAS and they said I'd be eligible to not have to pay tuition fees like an ordinary student if I apply through SAAS.... only catch, and the big catch is that I'd have to forfeit my Student Finance loans for living costs.
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?Would you get a SAAS living cost loan rather than the SF one? Because they're going up from next year onwards, as far as I know they would be easy to live off of.(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
Some news: I contacted SAAS and they said I'd be eligible to not have to pay tuition fees like an ordinary student if I apply through SAAS.... only catch, and the big catch is that I'd have to forfeit my Student Finance loans for living costs.
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?I'd also say that this will change your status in terms of how the universities review your application.(Original post by Obscenedilemma)
Some news: I contacted SAAS and they said I'd be eligible to not have to pay tuition fees like an ordinary student if I apply through SAAS.... only catch, and the big catch is that I'd have to forfeit my Student Finance loans for living costs.
I'm really unsure on what to do now...
In Scotland there are two groups:
One group is for students who are funded by SAAS. All of the Scottish students and those from the EU are in this category. There are a set number of funded places and universities can not go over the number of places they have been allocated.
The other group is for students who are from the rest of the UK and international students. Here, universities can admit as many of these students as they see fit/they have room for because there aren't any student number controls. Theoretically, a university could be completely full to the rafters but they could still admit 100 more students in this category because there's nothing stopping them from doing so beyond things like physical space, equipment and student satisfaction.
At an admissions conference I was at in the summer there were senior admissions officials from a number of Scottish institutions being quite open about the implications of students currently residing in the UK "switching nationality" to get SAAS to pay their fees. Essentially, if you apply as an EU student you're theoretically reducing your chances of admission so yes, you might not have to pay tuition but the downside is you might not get an offer whereas you would have got one if you were a UK non Scotland student. Similarly, if you're in a position where your offer is dependent on exam results, if you're an EU student and miss your offer at somewhere like Edinburgh/St Andrews then there's no chance at all of getting in because the places won't be there whereas if you miss your offer slightly and you're on a UK place there's a chance you might be let in anyway if you were a strong applicant. -
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Re: Will I be entitled to "home fees" at scottish Unis?no, as an EU student she wouldn't be eligible for a living costs loan(Original post by conway!)
Would you get a SAAS living cost loan rather than the SF one? Because they're going up from next year onwards, as far as I know they would be easy to live off of.
