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Reply 40
Original post by MonsterMorris
Very good information, this is how I have done it. Didn't he also gave support to the continuing danger theory as well?

I have a feeling it is going to ask about Quick as it is mentioned a lot in the source. :smile:


Lord Diplock in Sullivan suggested a test based upon the likelihood of recurrence. So, you could say it supported the continuing danger theory.

But don't you think they could have done that on purpose so students believe that what is mentioned a lot will come up? However, the two cases I feel most confident about are M'Naghten and Burgess. Not too far now from the exam.
Reply 41
Really not looking forward to the exam! I have 90% UMS marks after AS (Sources of Law and English Legal System) so I'm hoping to maintain this and get an A* at A2 but I have a feeling that this could be the exam that drops me to an A, not that that would be a bad thing but an A* would be great. It doesn't help that I've also had to revise for 2 Philosophy resits. :frown: Going to do a hell of a lot of revision over the next week though! I remember being completely unconfident about ELS in May last year however when I got in there under pressure it all came back so hopefully the same will happen. We've been doing a lot of practice in class too of potential questions so hopefully that will help.
Original post by Maerim
Lord Diplock in Sullivan suggested a test based upon the likelihood of recurrence. So, you could say it supported the continuing danger theory.

But don't you think they could have done that on purpose so students believe that what is mentioned a lot will come up? However, the two cases I feel most confident about are M'Naghten and Burgess. Not too far now from the exam.


It's just that apparently in the past papers, question one has always been about a case which is mentioned a lot on the source.

In Burgess, are you going to mention recent cases like Lowe, Thomas and Mason?

Also are you going to speak about sexomnia? Like Bilton, Ecott, Luedecke. Oh yeah and Parks, the canadian case?
Reply 43
Original post by MonsterMorris
It's just that apparently in the past papers, question one has always been about a case which is mentioned a lot on the source.

In Burgess, are you going to mention recent cases like Lowe, Thomas and Mason?

Also are you going to speak about sexomnia? Like Bilton, Ecott, Luedecke. Oh yeah and Parks, the canadian case?


I didn't know that, if that is the case can you please tell me what you've written about Quick? I don't feel too confident with it.

Yes, I am mentioning them but very briefly. Just remember that everything you write has to relate to the case in question, don't just write everything you know because as my teachers have told us you only need one link to a case in Question 1's and I have like a minimum of 3-4 in all my written answers. What is the case of Luedecke about? I haven't done that.
Original post by Maerim
I didn't know that, if that is the case can you please tell me what you've written about Quick? I don't feel too confident with it.

Yes, I am mentioning them but very briefly. Just remember that everything you write has to relate to the case in question, don't just write everything you know because as my teachers have told us you only need one link to a case in Question 1's and I have like a minimum of 3-4 in all my written answers. What is the case of Luedecke about? I haven't done that.


With Quick I
State facts of case, explain what hypoglycemia is.
Explain that the court adopted the external factor theory, Lord Lawton claimed that a malfunctioning of the mind, caused by an external factor cannot be said to be due to a disease of the mind (source 1, lines 14-16)
In this case, the insulin was the external factor and not the diabetes itself, (source 1, lines 21-22)

Followed Bratty in that automatism is an act done by the muscles without any control by the mind source 5, lines 6-9)

Explain why it was important in developing the law - brought diabetes due to hypoglycemia within automatism.

Link to Hennessy, definitely use the word distinguish - relating to precedent, say why it was different in this case

Thats all I know really, I struggle with the structuring of this question, we've not really been taught how to very well.

All you really need to know about Luedecke is that it was a canadian case, he man raped a woman in his sleep and it was automatism, could be persuasive etc.
Original post by MonsterMorris
Also are you going to speak about sexomnia? Like Bilton, Ecott, Luedecke. Oh yeah and Parks, the canadian case?


Sexsomnia does annoy me as it's viewed as automatism :angry: but it's basically sleepwalking - which is seen as insanity because it's internal. Also why was it not seen as a continuing danger? I would say having something called Sexsomnia is a danger which is likely to recur :s-smilie: So why is it not insanity?
Original post by TheDarkShadow
Sexsomnia does annoy me as it's viewed as automatism :angry: but it's basically sleepwalking - which is seen as insanity because it's internal. Also why was it not seen as a continuing danger? I would say having something called Sexsomnia is a danger which is likely to recur :s-smilie: So why is it not insanity?


I completely agree with you! This has confused me since I learnt about it and I have yet to find an answer. My teacher seems to think the sexomnia itself is the external factor. Which I do not understand, but I suppose it would be a good A02 point, criticising it by saying under the continuing danger theory it would be insanity, creates inconsistency etc.

But sleepwalking cases are also now using automatism, in Thomas the 'night terrors' where an external cause resulting in automatism.
Original post by MonsterMorris
But sleepwalking cases are also now using automatism, in Thomas the 'night terrors' where an external cause resulting in automatism.


Oh my god!!! I have never heard of that case :3 I just googled it and the guardian article said he was suffering from the night terrors because he came off medication... Does this not make it similar to Hennessy to certain extent? Surely it should be internal? So insanity?
No, don't link it to Hennessy, I wouldn't mention the fact that he was on medication, you just need to briefly say he suffered from night terrors. It is confusing, but the night terrors is considered external. The prosecution wanted him to be found insane at first, but dropped the case and the judge ruled that they didn't see him as a danger, which could be another reason why they let him off. Sleepwalking is very ambiguous, it's annoying how it's hard to find useful stuff about it!

I would link it like this:

Quick first used the external factor theory "Malfunctioning of the mind (source 1, lines 14-16) R v T further extended it ruling that rape was an external factor, and later cases R v Bilton (sexomnia) and R v Thomas (Night terrors) further extended the range of external factors.
Original post by MonsterMorris
No, don't link it to Hennessy, I wouldn't mention the fact that he was on medication, you just need to briefly say he suffered from night terrors. It is confusing, but the night terrors is considered external. The prosecution wanted him to be found insane at first, but dropped the case and the judge ruled that they didn't see him as a danger, which could be another reason why they let him off. Sleepwalking is very ambiguous, it's annoying how it's hard to find useful stuff about it!

I would link it like this:

Quick first used the external factor theory "Malfunctioning of the mind (source 1, lines 14-16) R v T further extended it ruling that rape was an external factor, and later cases R v Bilton (sexomnia) and R v Thomas (Night terrors) further extended the range of external factors.


Will probably end up using it in question 2. I like question two the most out of them all :eek: probably because I think the law on insanity and automatism is still in need of some serious reform. I agree with the reforms suggested by the Butler Committee as it would change insanity to be a more effective and suitable defence. I hate how cases are so similar but distinguished.. It really is unjust :L

Not really looking forward to next week as i'm still not confident with Q1 fully as I seem to miss the odd thing out. With two exams on Tuesday and then this on Friday i may struggle remembering everything :/
Does anybody have any information on how to write and structure Q3?
I did a mock at college and only got 2/30 marks on Q3 :confused:
Does anyone have any model answers for Q1? :smile:
Original post by feelinginfinite
Does anybody have any information on how to write and structure Q3?
I did a mock at college and only got 2/30 marks on Q3 :confused:


You start by stating what condition/illness they have
Explain what area of law it comes under e.g. insanity, automatism, self induced
Why is the defence appropriate e.g. disease of the mind, caused him not to know what he is doing, and you also have to explain why the other defence, e.g. automatism, is not appropriate.
Try to throw in some cases to illustrate the point, but you dont need to describe them
You dont need to source reference.
If one of them was insanity, you need to explain why, was there a defect of reason, was it caused by a disease of the mind and did he know what he was doing? E.g. Dave had a defect of reason because he had no control over what he was doing, and he is unaware of what he is doing and that it is wrong.
If it was automatism, you need to say, his act was involuntary, there was an external factor causing a loss of mental faculties, making D blameless, obviously you have to relate these to the scenario.
Sometimes it may be conflicting, it could be both, both I have been taught that if medical evidence is involved you state that the jury are more likely going to be convinced by the medical evidence.
Always end with a mini conclusion. e.g. the likely defence the jury will consider is automatism/insanity

Hope this helps. :smile:
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Reply 53
Dreading this exam so much! I'm on 98% after AS but I'm nowhere near as confident with this as I feel I should be.
Original post by MonsterMorris
You start by stating what condition/illness they have
Explain what area of law it comes under e.g. insanity, automatism, self induced
Why is the defence appropriate e.g. disease of the mind, caused him not to know what he is doing, and you also have to explain why the other defence, e.g. automatism, is not appropriate.
Try to throw in some cases to illustrate the point, but you dont need to describe them
You dont need to source reference.
If one of them was insanity, you need to explain why, was there a defect of reason, was it caused by a disease of the mind and did he know what he was doing? E.g. Dave had a defect of reason because he had no control over what he was doing, and he is unaware of what he is doing and that it is wrong.
If it was automatism, you need to say, his act was involuntary, there was an external factor causing a loss of mental faculties, making D blameless, obviously you have to relate these to the scenario.
Sometimes it may be conflicting, it could be both, both I have been taught that if medical evidence is involved you state that the jury are more likely going to be convinced by the medical evidence.
Always end with a mini conclusion. e.g. the likely defence the jury will consider is automatism/insanity

Hope this helps. :smile:


Thankyou, it helped loads. I'll +ve rep you when I can :rolleyes:
Reply 55
Original post by MonsterMorris
With Quick I
State facts of case, explain what hypoglycemia is.
Explain that the court adopted the external factor theory, Lord Lawton claimed that a malfunctioning of the mind, caused by an external factor cannot be said to be due to a disease of the mind (source 1, lines 14-16)
In this case, the insulin was the external factor and not the diabetes itself, (source 1, lines 21-22)

Followed Bratty in that automatism is an act done by the muscles without any control by the mind source 5, lines 6-9)

Explain why it was important in developing the law - brought diabetes due to hypoglycemia within automatism.

Link to Hennessy, definitely use the word distinguish - relating to precedent, say why it was different in this case

Thats all I know really, I struggle with the structuring of this question, we've not really been taught how to very well.

All you really need to know about Luedecke is that it was a canadian case, he man raped a woman in his sleep and it was automatism, could be persuasive etc.


Original post by MonsterMorris
Does anyone have any model answers for Q1? :smile:



Thank you! As for the second post, I have my question one answer from my mock exam in which I got 15/16 and it's on M'Naghten. I'll message it to you.
Original post by Conzy210
Dreading this exam so much! I'm on 98% after AS but I'm nowhere near as confident with this as I feel I should be.


I also got 98% at AS :smile: but I've neglected law this year as I've been concentrating more on maths so i'm not atall confident going into this exam.:eek:
Reply 57
Original post by ArsenalWenger
I also got 98% at AS :smile: but I've neglected law this year as I've been concentrating more on maths so i'm not atall confident going into this exam.:eek:


Exactly the same with my, except I've neglected law for economics opposed to maths. Am I right in presuming that we need just 62% this year to achieve an A overall?
Yes. :smile:
My original plan was to smash this paper and not revise for June. But I've left it late for this exam unfortunately.

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