Do you think Rihanna has a responsibility to her young fans?

How come?

Rihanna was the first one to strike — slapping and striking Brown "numerous times" while he was driving, after seeing the text message from another woman.

I think you're missing what I'm saying Rihanna didn't hit in defense she attacked first. So as far as you're whole unfairness thing goes it's irrelevant. What is he supposed to do sit there and get abused because she is female?

Also the time in the car was the only time he hit her. But reports say she had hit him before this therefore she did not "hit her abusive partner", she hit her boyfriend, making Chris the victim regardless of who is stronger.

What I mean is, it's an opinion. If you said, "The public shouldn't judge," that's your opinion and it's fair enough. But to say "the public have a responsibility not to judge" is just inaccurate as it implies they have some sort of actual obligation not to, when in reality they are free (rightly or wrongly) to do so if they so please. It's a bit pedantic but I think there's an important difference.

oh really..?

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I rest my case

1) Do you seriously think what Rihanna did to him was comparable to what he did to her?

2) Do you seriously think Chris Brown is the primary victim in this scenario? Do you think he had the right to do what he did to Rihanna because she hit him first?

Are you absolutely mad?

Both are my opinions. It is my opinion the public has a responsibility not to judge. It is my opinion that they have a moral obligation not to judge, just as you said. I don't see why this is a problematic opinion.

As i said Chris Brown made a mistake, he snapped and took it too far, what I am saying is that he is not an abuser, if anything Rihanna is as she hit him on multiple occasions. Chris Brown is a lot bigger and lost control obviously doing a lot more damage than Rihanna could "in one sitting".

Addressing your second point if someone hits you, you are entitled to hit back. I think your main problem with this is that Chris is male and Rihanna is female.

It is obvious that in a fight between them Chris would win maybe she should have thought about that before putting her hands on him.

As far as I'm concerned both did wrong, but Chris is the only one being blamed which is why Chris can apparently seem "arrogant" or "unremorseful" about the whole thing. And also why Rihanna (and her family) was so quick to forgive.

Also, nobody knows the full story of why Chris Brown battered her, but maybe he was a good boyfriend up to that point.

It's because a responsibility is an actual thing, like a right. People's rights and responsibilities are generally an objective thing in whatever society they're a part of.

Imagine two men discussing Rihanna in a pub. One of the men says, "She's an idiot for getting back with Chris Brown."
If a feminist then comes up to them and says, "You have no right to judge her!", technically she is objectively wrong, as they are well within their rights to judge regardless of whether or not it is morally okay to do so.

Similarly, if she had said "You have a responsibility not to judge her", she would also be wrong, as no part of being a member of public automatically entails that you must respect a woman's choice of partner. I guess if you specifically say "you have a moral responsibility not to judge" that is more clearly a matter of opinion, but there are also things like legal responsibilities which aren't matters of opinion. Again, I know it's a bit pedantic, but it makes a difference.

He punched her until she was unconscious and threatened to kill her. Have you seen pictures of her face afterwards? I ask again, are you mad when you say he was entitled to do that because she slapped him? Ask any normal healthy guy whether they would do that in retaliation to being slapped. It's not just a 'mistake' someone makes. You have to be fully crazy and sadistic to want to hurt someone as severely as that.

I don't think she did used to abuse him. I don't think her admitting she's hit him before means that she abused him. And I think there's a massive disparity between a full grown man beating a woman much weaker than him to a pulp, and that woman hitting her abusive partner who is obviously much stronger than her. The power dynamic was clearly deeply skewed in his favour.

What's your source for this btw?

...er, what? The only way in which my post would be incorrect is if we were talking about legal responsibility. In the context of my post, it's obvious I didn't mean legal responsibility. Not quite sure why you're reading the whole legal thing into it.

You have to be fully crazy and sadistic to want to hurt someone as severely as that.

Because unfortunately it's not as obvious as you might think.

People make judgements automatically.

People can wrangle forever over the acceptable amount of force a woman or man can use, but surely you'd have to be mad to think the intention is any different.