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Reply 80
Original post by AspiringGenius
Oh and there is a lot of jealous, pretentious snobbery from a few on this thread who are suggesting private school students are some sort of rampaging subhuman race. I go to state school, but i have to say I have only ever met one "ok-yah" muppet from private school and I certainly wouldn't base the whole attitude of the private sector on him as everybody else I know who goes to/has gone to independent school is thoroughly pleasant and very real. Much more real than about half the people at my old school who couldn't tell you who the prime minister was.


Ive found that often, that when I attended a state school, a lot of people seemed to have a lack of an understanding about basic politics, economics and society- someone in my GCSE history class asked who Churchill was. My point being that there are sometimes significant gaps in knowledge in secondary education- which isn't the fault of the teachers or children- but a problem for a generation who have to vote 2 years after leaving school without knowing much. (This makes me sound against state schools, when I am overwhelming for them :smile: I just think the curriculum needs a major look at... by someone other than Michael Gove but that's a story for another time and thread XD)
I'll put it this way, if you could afford a porsche would you go for a ****ty old car?
I am state school educated and undecided on the poll.

I went to a very poor primary school (judged inadequate by Ofsted), then to the grammar school I am currently at, after passing my 11+.

I would much rather my child attend grammar school than a normal comprehensive, that's for sure. My sister now attends the same school as me but went to a comp for year 7 after failing her 11+ (now attends a grammar due to getting full marks on her 12+). The academic level of the other students was so low that my sister was listed as 'Able, Gifted and Talented' in SEVEN subjects. At her current school, she is AGT in no subjects. This is because in comparison to her current peers, she doesn't stand out; they are on the same intellectual level as her and she's set more appropriate work for her ability.

Grammar schools aren't perfect. There IS bullying (not that I am saying it doesn't exist in private schools) and there are the odd few teachers that are completely crap. However, I am so grateful for the opportunities I have been given by the school; triple science GCSE (not allowed at my sister's old comp), further maths A-Level (rare around here), being able to take part in science competitions (just today I took part in an event held by a fairly major biotechnology company), a great work experience programme and so much more.

While I got VERY good GCSE/AS level results, I will freely admit I do feel somewhat bitter that I have not had the opportunity to attend a school that would have given me even more opportunities and supported me further. My parents can barely afford to heat our home, let alone thousands of pounds in school fees. I literally can't even imagine what the lives of private school students are like sometimes. I would LOVE my kids to have such a brilliant education, but why shouldn't they be able to work as hard as I did (without private education) and get the same outcome?

Saying all that, I feel indebted to my parents for the work ethic they have brought me up with. They have jobs I believe some on TSR would consider 'menial' yet always strive to ensure me and my sister get better grades and better jobs than they have. I actually feel guilty when I don't work to the best of my ability because of just how disappointed they seem. They aren't pushy parents but I'm so grateful for their support in making me be the best I can be.

This kind of turned into an essay but I hope people find my thoughts interesting, I guess. Just another point of view. Writing all this out makes me lean slightly more towards NOT privately educating my children but I couldn't predict exactly how I would act in the situation if I were a parent. :smile:

~thanks, positive repper :hugs:~
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Original post by babygirl110
Absolutely. State schooling is not an option for my children.

This box must be ticked before I can even consider having children, i.e. I need to be in a position of knowing that I will be able to afford to educate them privately.

I'd rather not have children if such boxes are not ticked.

I went to a state school before my parents moved me to a private one and I really value the difference private school education made, particularly as I'm not so bright.


Although I agree that I'd go for private, state school kids can so well top, in fact there are plenty of good state schools around, it depends a lot on your area. And as a parent, if you value education so much you can instil the same values into your children.
Seems a rather extreme views to say you wouldn't have kids if they couldn't go to private school.
Reply 84
Well, state school teaches you a lot about making your own opportunities, working hard regardless of what the pressure from peers is and dealing with dickheads. (Mine did anyway).

Would I want my kids growing up Where everything is "handed to then on a plate"? (Clearly you still have to work your ass off whatever school you go to, but there are things that you just need to do yourself If you go to a bad school... Also, quite a lot of state schools are just as good as public ones!)

It depends on the kid tbh. I certainly wouldn't rule it out If I could afford it, brings a burden off the state system!
Reply 85
No, I wouldn't want to put the pressure of paid for education onto my kids. I know I'd have felt like I'd let my parents down if they'd spent anywhere between 70k (for a local day school 11-18) and 200+ (for top publics) and then to see that someone outperformed me at the comp down the road (and there will likely be some kid with 8/9 A*s at GCSE and straight A*s at a school with 300+ students).

Also, I'd always worry that I'd just be spoon fed to wherever I'd have got had I been to private school and not feel like my achievements were truly my own, which is another reason (and also why I'd never pay for private tutoring for kids).

I realise my kids will have certain advantages in life others won't such as a home environment where education is valued, warm quiet place to work, read to when younger etc. that all make a big difference and that education is never a true level playing field, just paid education is the point I personally would have felt my achievements were less 'my own', though I do feel like they are less impressive compared to people I know with similar ones and who didn't have what I've just listed. Just my take though.
Reply 86
Original post by NaomiASuts
Ive found that often, that when I attended a state school, a lot of people seemed to have a lack of an understanding about basic politics, economics and society- someone in my GCSE history class asked who Churchill was. My point being that there are sometimes significant gaps in knowledge in secondary education- which isn't the fault of the teachers or children- but a problem for a generation who have to vote 2 years after leaving school without knowing much. (This makes me sound against state schools, when I am overwhelming for them :smile: I just think the curriculum needs a major look at... by someone other than Michael Gove but that's a story for another time and thread XD)


Had a girl in our class.(top set!) once put her hand up and ask "Where *is* the Holocaust?" This is after doing WW2 twice and spending a while term on the Holocaust... she thought it was a place.

After that year I randomly got moved to bottom set for humanities, it literally (literally!) had the mentally handicapped kids in (nowt wrong with that, but seriously...) they could hardly read. I spent a year in that class... I used to sit at the back and just read a books from the library without bothering with the lesson. Got an A* for my gcse the the next year! What possessed them to put me there I have no idea
Reply 87
Say I had the choice to send my child to a private school, I'd much rather prefer to send them to a state school due to the experiences that I've had, and how I believe they are different from that of a private school.

I go to a fairly average school that achieves average GCSE and A Level grades, but I've learnt to deal with all kinds of people - not just those who can afford a better education. I've met all sorts of people from those who've worked two jobs part time to support his family whilst still achieving A*A*AA at A Level, to those who don't take the opportunity presented to them and go on to receive EEUU as well. I want my child to understand the different types of people him/her could possibly encounter in the future to best prepare him/her for life.

My child wouldn't need a private school education either, and could easily compete with one who has been educated at a private school so long as they tried their best, and for that reason, I believe state schooling is better.
Original post by roh
No, I wouldn't want to put the pressure of paid for education onto my kids. I know I'd have felt like I'd let my parents down if they'd spent anywhere between 70k (for a local day school 11-18) and 200+ (for top publics) and then to see that someone outperformed me at the comp down the road (and there will likely be some kid with 8/9 A*s at GCSE and straight A*s at a school with 300+ students).

Also, I'd always worry that I'd just be spoon fed to wherever I'd have got had I been to private school and not feel like my achievements were truly my own, which is another reason (and also why I'd never pay for private tutoring for kids).

I realise my kids will have certain advantages in life others won't such as a home environment where education is valued, warm quiet place to work, read to when younger etc. that all make a big difference and that education is never a true level playing field, just paid education is the point I personally would have felt my achievements were less 'my own', though I do feel like they are less impressive compared to people I know with similar ones and who didn't have what I've just listed. Just my take though.


I posted before to say I went private - would send kids to state.

Engaging with you because you have a brain - unlike many in this thread.

I disagree that private means better or advantaged in terms of academic. As you said, the home environment is important. Few things you might not know being from state:

1) terms are shorter than state, significantly - and holidays longer
2) lots of homework after school - from age of 7 onwards - and in holidays

Most development occurs in private study/reading. Classes in private school are mostly pointless as they are in state except they are better controlled and no one acts up - to an extent, it's just an expensive nursery with sports, music and pretty buildings.

If you as a parent set reading as homework, have a disciplined household and get specialist tutors when the child is already at a decent comp, that child has an advantage over private school kids in terms of academia.

I think the idea of not feeling your achievements are your own is silly - you need to take advantage of everything you can get in life. But I agre 13k+ a year per kid for no tangible academic benefit is the real case and it's overkill. Kids don't do worse at grammar schools. Kids at good comps with pushy parents do well too. It's not always about the school.

I'm very bored, I'm sorry if I'm confrontational - I'm subconciously deliberately creating potential arguments to keep myself awake!
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Reply 89
Original post by Dandyflower
I posted before to say I went private - would send kids to state.

Engaging with you because you have a brain - unlike many in this thread.

I disagree that private means better or advantaged in terms of academic. As you said, the home environment is important. Few things you might not know being from state:

1) terms are shorter than state, significantly - and holidays longer
2) lots of homework after school - from age of 7 onwards - and in holidays

Most development occurs in private study/reading. Classes in private school are mostly pointless as they are in state except they are better controlled and no one acts up - to an extent, it's just an expensive nursery with sports, music and pretty buildings.

If you as a parent set reading as homework, have a disciplined household and get specialist tutors when the child is already at a decent comp, that child has an advantage over private school kids in terms of academia.

I think the idea of not feeling your achievements are your own is silly - you need to take advantage of everything you can get in life. But I agre 13k+ a year per kid for no tangible academic benefit is the real case and it's overkill. Kids don't do worse at grammar schools. Kids at good comps with pushy parents do well too. It's not always about the school.

I'm very bored, I'm sorry if I'm confrontational - I'm subconciously deliberately creating potential arguments to keep myself awake!


Yeah, I'm aware of the difference home environment makes (both my parents are teachers so, obviously, education was a valued thing when I was growing up) and that a well supported child can do very well in state education, comp or not. Also, I would be able to afford to move to another catchment if the local school was some massive gang ridden stab fest (which is a lot rarer than is sometimes portrayed in the media).

The achievements thing is I less I think than the fear of putting a lot of pressure on my kids to perform well academically due to the huge financial sums involved. It probably comes from talking to cousins who have exam grades similar to mine who say they feel they're not too sure what their 'real' level is because their school absolutely drilled them in exam technique and virtually every student got As. This did leave them a lot less well prepared for the independent work of uni, which is a disadvantage, but then the question is would they be there without it? But, as you say they will never know so just have to be happy they had that chance.

Yeah, privates seem to have got really expensive recently. Putting 2 kids through pretty much any school in the Headmasters conference will set you back well over 100k and top boarding upwards of half a million, crazy money.
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Original post by joker12345
Although I agree that I'd go for private, state school kids can so well top, in fact there are plenty of good state schools around, it depends a lot on your area. And as a parent, if you value education so much you can instil the same values into your children.
Seems a rather extreme views to say you wouldn't have kids if they couldn't go to private school.


Yes I Yes I understand what you mean but the problem is that if you aren't bright, then chances of doing well in a state school are really low.

Given that IQ is genetic, then chances are that my kids would struggle in a state school, like I did.

I know there are things that matter more in life, but I really would want the best for my kids.
Welsh-language private schools are hard to come by, and I'd really want my kids to grow up speaking my language, so...
yes to make sure my child achieves the best they can so they can so many options about what do in life. its about choices..i want my kid to have many. state schools < private school
I was private and only send kids to a private school.

The education is only half the story, it's the connections you're paying for.
Reply 94
I've gone to a state school in a deprived area of East London, and i would definitely send my child to a state school (preferably in a better area however)

after coming into contact with students from a private school i couldnt help notice how out of touch with reality they are. i'm sorry , but u cannot be upset when your parents bought u the latest Blackberry when u wanted an iPhone.

if my kids are hardworking and want to do well, they'll be able to do it wherever they go.
i'd send them to a state school so they learn about real life.
Reply 95
Original post by paradoxicalme
I see your point, but what about private schools like mine which have very challenging entrance exams? Everyone who goes to my school had to get in on their smarts, not their money, like grammar schools. If I hadn't worked my a** off to get a scholarship and a bursary into my private school, there's no way in hell I'd be there. I'm not lucky in that regard. Lucky implies that we didn't have to try.


I don't really believe in the private school system at all; like how many students from low income families couldn't get scholarships and bursaries at all, how many students were shut out from this school despite being smarter than some of those who could afford to be there? It's a LOT better than the system of just paying to be there for sure, but what I like about grammar schools is that the opportunity is there for EVERY student who's smart enough. Probably the worst thing Labour ever did was victimize the grammar schools.
Original post by HaQ_mAn_
I've gone to a state school in a deprived area of East London, and i would definitely send my child to a state school (preferably in a better area however)

after coming into contact with students from a private school i couldnt help notice how out of touch with reality they are. i'm sorry , but u cannot be upset when your parents bought u the latest Blackberry when u wanted an iPhone.

if my kids are hardworking and want to do well, they'll be able to do it wherever they go.
i'd send them to a state school so they learn about real life.


This is such an uniformed view of private school kids. Using the same sort of argument I could claim state school kids are all chavs. Everyone wants something that they don't have, kids who are raised with certain luxaries will grow up to expect them.
Most private school children aren't like this at all. And if they achieve top grades, go to top universities and get top jobs, then this will be 'real life' for them.
Reply 97
I would want to send my child to the best school available for my child. Some private schools are not as good as state ones, but some are world renown. It would depend on the personality of my child. If I had an intellectual child and I could afford a school like Westminster, St Pauls, or Winchester - then that's where they would go. If I lived near an excellent state school and that schooled suited my child better than the local private school they would go there. If I could afford it I could choose according to best-fit.
It is not fair that some children have parents who can afford to buy their children more choice, but it is also not fair that some children have a greater capacity for learning. Life isn't fair...... And it is never going to be so. Taking away choice is the wrong way to go.
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Original post by Mafuzzer
Say I had the choice to send my child to a private school, I'd much rather prefer to send them to a state school due to the experiences that I've had, and how I believe they are different from that of a private school.

I go to a fairly average school that achieves average GCSE and A Level grades, but I've learnt to deal with all kinds of people - not just those who can afford a better education. I've met all sorts of people from those who've worked two jobs part time to support his family whilst still achieving A*A*AA at A Level, to those who don't take the opportunity presented to them and go on to receive EEUU as well. I want my child to understand the different types of people him/her could possibly encounter in the future to best prepare him/her for life.

My child wouldn't need a private school education either, and could easily compete with one who has been educated at a private school so long as they tried their best, and for that reason, I believe state schooling is better.


First, not all private school candidates get straight A's, you do still have to try, the tools are just more easily available to you.
To the part in bold - it's not just about the education. Private schools encourage individuals to be more well rounded, extra-cirriculars are much more integrated into private school cirriculums, as well as there being more opportunities available.
Of course they can compete it, but why wouldn't you want to give your child the best chances possible?
Reply 99
My primary school was private (left after yr 8), my secondary was a grammar school (left after yr 11) and I'm currently in yr 13 at a state college, so I've experienced all 3 sides :smile:. They are all good. If you are independent and can get work done, and don't need some one to "push" you academically, I'd say my state college is the best! As long as you are confident in your abilities. My parents thought I would do no work at my college because they care less if you aren't doing well, and that I was making a mistake by leaving the grammar school (which had a sixth form), but I was sure I could do well at college. I got 4 As at AS and have applied to study medicine at uni. Other friends of mine who are naturally smart have got Ds, Es and Us, because without anybody to force them to study, they just messed about.

Personally I think it was the private and grammar education that encouraged me to be independent in the first place (especially the grammar school), so I would have no problem when I need to self-motivate. This way I am also preparing for uni too. The great thing about my college is, the help is always there if you need it (....like Hogwarts), but nobody will force it on you. The teachers are always willing to help out if you go to them in your free periods, and the work ethic of the place is far better than my old grammar school: people are there to study and get in to uni. Sure, there are people that mess about and get bad grades, but it's really their own fault because the help was there, they just never took advantage of it.

If I have kids and I could comfortably afford it, I'd educate them the same way as me, but only let them go to a state sixth form/college if I was confident they wouldn't just mess about. Otherwise I'd stay private/grammar. But at a young age I definitely am in favour of private education.
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