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Re: BoxingPlease do not compare a boxer like Khan to the England football team lol. Khan is a good boxer whether you like it or not.(Original post by 9MmBulletz)
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And England football team are a complete load of ****. Gave up on England winning any Euros or World cups years ago
at least Khan has a chance, if he fought Mayweather it would be an interesting fight considering their styles. Manny would probably destroy him based on the other days performance.
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Re: BoxingRead my post- I acknowledge his talent, it's just the unfounded arrogance which is off-putting and detrimental to his development as a boxer. He is far too complacent for someone with a week defence.(Original post by SubAtomic)
Please do not compare a boxer like Khan to the England football team lol. Khan is a good boxer whether you like it or not.
Look at Mayweather- sure this dude has his head so far up his ass, but he walks the walk, and most of all is always focused in match and never complacent about any opponent he faces. He might act like he knows he's gonna win, but that's because he's putting in those hours and not giving his opponent any window of opportunity when fight night comes -
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Re: BoxingYeah I read another post further on and saw the acknowledgement after had posted, Khan has won olympic gold and a fair few things so I can understand how he may have become arrogant, taking your word on it though because I can neither confirm nor deny Khan is arrogant.(Original post by 9MmBulletz)
Read my post- I acknowledge his talent, it's just the unfounded arrogance which is off-putting and detrimental to his development as a boxer. He is far too complacent for someone with a week defence.
Look at Mayweather- sure this dude has his head so far up his ass, but he walks the walk, and most of all is always focused in match and never complacent about any opponent he faces. He might act like he knows he's gonna win, but that's because he's putting in those hours and not giving his opponent any window of opportunity when fight night comes
No room for complacency in a fight, Khan got caught with a wild punch so it was his own fault for being a ball bag. But like a few are saying his training sucks, don't follow it all to that extent, do a bit of training, like to see a good fight, talk to my mate for all the details as he is very much into watching sports, especially boxing.
Anyway Khan is one of Englands few hopes of winning anything worthwhile so I like him to win lol, hence I may be a little bias for English sports people but will still flame them if they perform ****.Last edited by SubAtomic; 16-07-2012 at 01:55. -
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Re: BoxingSilver(Original post by SubAtomic)
Khan has won olympic gold
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Re: BoxingNo really. Amir Khan should have beaten him. IF he faces Garcia again, he should beat him. The odds were correct. Garcia always had a punchers chance.(Original post by 9MmBulletz)
I'm sorry to spoil the party on those complimenting Khan- I'm sure he is a talented fighter as he has got himself into some pretty big fights, but is this another example of British ignorance?
I'll bring up a few sporting examples from recent history.
Let's go back to 2010 when England were to face Germany in the World Cup. Many pundits were backing England to beat the Germans. After the match, Germany are all of a sudden world-beaters (ok, they aren't too far off)
England Euro 2012- England are playing an "ordinary" Italy side, who if it wasn't for some bad finishing and good fortune would've taken England to the cleaners. All of a sudden after the match, Italy are now a class team and Pirlo is a new-found world class player (sarcasm)
To something more on topic, let's not forget the people that actually gave Hatton a chance against mayweather and pacquiao, who are leagues apart from Hatton.
And then there's Khan, who's fighting an undefeated fighter yet given overwhelmingly favourable odds againsr his opponent.
When it comes to sports, British pundits know nothing apart from their national representatives.
Styles make fights. Hatton is an inside fighter and a brawler. Both styles that Mayweather ( well at least against Castillo ) and Pac Man are not comfortable with. It was difficult to gauge how good Hatton would have been ahead of time considering he had not fought very good opposition.Last edited by DorianGrayism; 16-07-2012 at 14:40. -
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Re: BoxingShame really. I think Khan has excellent footwork, timing, distance, speed, accuracy etc. - I don't think he has a "glass jaw" as a lot of people are saying, but I don't think he has a particualry good jaw either. The only way he can carry on is to get that defense completely water tight.
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Re: BoxingA lot of guys struggle with the change from amateur to pro. There's a complete switch of focus from speed and accuracy for points, to getting big and developing knockout power.(Original post by frankieboy)
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Re: BoxingGood point, never thought about it like that.(Original post by Tokyoround)
A lot of guys struggle with the change from amateur to pro. There's a complete switch of focus from speed and accuracy for points, to getting big and developing knockout power. -
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You need to make a name for yourself to land the big contracts, management, sponsor etc. and Olympics is the most conventional route.(Original post by TheJ0ker)
I don't get why people who intend to go pro, first go through the amateur ranks. Why don't they just start at semi pro, unlicensed boxing as it would be better preparation.
Look at Fraudley Harrison, he won a gold at the Olympics (i think? Can't remember) turned pro and was making money despite fighting bums off the street.
Most guys want that gold medal for extra bargaining power. But then again people like James degale got all sorts of "benefits" to stay amateur and give British boxing some shred of credibility.
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Re: BoxingAh I suppose, didn't think of that!(Original post by Tokyoround)
You need to make a name for yourself to land the big contracts, management, sponsor etc. and Olympics is the most conventional route.
Look at Fraudley Harrison, he won a gold at the Olympics (i think? Can't remember) turned pro and was making money despite fighting bums off the street.
Most guys want that gold medal for extra bargaining power. But then again people like James degale got all sorts of "benefits" to stay amateur and give British boxing some shred of credibility.
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Re: BoxingYeah it's a hell of a lot easier if you already have some amateur credentials and can demand respect. Bad comparison but it's kind of similar to getting a degree.(Original post by TheJ0ker)
Ah I suppose, didn't think of that!
Amateur is the only real path into boxing when you're young too. It's one of those sports that relies heavily on raw natural instinct that can only be instilled from a young age, it's extremely difficult to pick up in your mid to late 20s and be sucessful. Even the exceptions to the rule such as Bernard Hopkins, did some sort of training when they were young.Last edited by Tokyoround; 17-07-2012 at 20:07. -
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Re: Boxing(Original post by TheJ0ker)
I don't get why people who intend to go pro, first go through the amateur ranks. Why don't they just start at semi pro, unlicensed boxing as it would be better preparation.
Exactly. Most kids start boxing around the ages 8-11, I don't think they're thinking about how best to prepare for a pro career at that point.(Original post by Tokyoround)
Amateur is the only real path into boxing when you're young too.
Not to mention that even if they were, no gym or coach is gonna recommend young boxers do anything other than amateur boxing, for many many reasons. -
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Re: Boxing(Original post by Tokyoround)
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xYeah having a good amateur career (ie being an Olympian) usually paves for way for wealthy pro career(Original post by Arturo Bandini)
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On the extreme side of the spectrum you have Canelo Alvarez who turned pro when he was 15!! (I'm sorry but I still have a hard time getting over that considering what I was doing when I was that age), fast forward to today, he's 21, one of the biggest names in boxing today, 40 wins and no losses, and made 2 million dollars his last fight for beating around a helpless Shane Mosely.. -
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Re: BoxingExactly.(Original post by Tokyoround)
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Re: BoxingUmmm, money(Original post by TheJ0ker)
I don't get why people who intend to go pro, first go through the amateur ranks. Why don't they just start at semi pro, unlicensed boxing as it would be better preparation.
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Re: BoxingUnless you are fixing fights like Brad Pitts character in Snatch(Original post by TheJ0ker)
You don't get much money from amateur fighting.
Seen a documentary about travelers before and on one fight am not sure whether a family or one guy put £60,000 on their fighter, ended up a draw but it shows some serious cash changes hands occasionally.
Get a nice caravan for £60 k
But when I think about it a bit more bare knuckle isn't amateur, it is quite the different sport.Last edited by SubAtomic; 19-07-2012 at 15:02.
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