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Engineering Mechanics, vector components parallel to 2 bars

In the example we took in lecture and in the book the force that we were asked to find the components for was in the between the 2 lines, but in this question it isn't. I managed to get one of the components correct after 1 hour of trying to solve this but I have no idea how that answer came about lol, HELP !!
Question 2.8
Original post by jemadore
In the example we took in lecture and in the book the force that we were asked to find the components for was in the between the 2 lines, but in this question it isn't. I managed to get one of the components correct after 1 hour of trying to solve this but I have no idea how that answer came about lol, HELP !!
Question 2.8


The component of a force in a given direction is the product of; the magnitude of the force and the cosine of the angle between the force and the given direction, so in this case:

80k cos 110, and 80k cos 150.
Reply 2
Anyone?
Original post by jemadore
Anyone?


See previous.
Reply 4
Original post by ghostwalker
The component of a force in a given direction is the product of; the magnitude of the force and the cosine of the angle between the force and the given direction, so in this case:

80k cos 110, and 80k cos 150.


Im afraid this method doesnt work,, because the components dont necessary make a right angle with the force so you need to use another trigonometry method for this,,
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Original post by jemadore
Im afraid this method doesnt work,, because the components dont necessary make a right angle with the force so you need to use another trigonometry method for this,,


Should work. What are the given answer?
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Original post by ghostwalker
Should work. What are the given answer?


Fab= 117.0 KN Fac= 62.2 :s-smilie: you want to take a look at the given example?
Original post by jemadore
Fab= 117.0 KN Fac= 62.2 :s-smilie: you want to take a look at the given example?


I think it would help. I suspect you're not resolving the force, but rather trying to write the force as the sum of two other forces in the directions AB and AC.
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Original post by ghostwalker
I think it would help. I suspect you're not resolving the force, but rather trying to write the force as the sum of two other forces in the directions AB and AC.


Here u go
Reply 9
Please tell me this is HL Physics!
OK, looks like I was misunderstanding the question initially.

This is what your diagram should look like:
See next post for something more like your example. Though this way works too.
Can you take it from there.
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And here's an alternative diagram, more along the lines of your example. You extend AB and AC, to give:

The reason for extending AB, AC, is that the component of F in the directions AB,AC could be negative, and indeed one of them is (AB).
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Reply 12
Original post by ghostwalker
And here's an alternative diagram, more along the lines of your example. You extend AB and AC, to give:

The reason for extending AB, AC, is that the component of F in the directions AB,AC could be negative, and indeed one of them is (AB).


Am a little confused, in the diagram AB and AC are both directed to the opposite side of F , why is one of them negative?
Original post by jemadore
Am a little confused, in the diagram AB and AC are both directed to the opposite side of F , why is one of them negative?


The sum of the forces acting in AB, AC, and the force F, must be zero, and since both AB, AC are to the left of F, one of them must apply a negative force. I.e. one spar is under tension (AB), and one is under compression (AC).

Make sense?
Reply 14
Original post by ghostwalker
The sum of the forces acting in AB, AC, and the force F, must be zero, and since both AB, AC are to the left of F, one of them must apply a negative force. I.e. one spar is under tension (AB), and one is under compression (AC).

Make sense?



Hmm,, why is AB the negative force then?
Original post by jemadore
Hmm,, why is AB the negative force then?


Because you're considering resolving F into components, rather than looking at the reaction in the spars, which will be the negative of the F components.


Watching a film at present, so response may take a while.
Reply 16
Original post by ghostwalker
Because you're considering resolving F into components, rather than looking at the reaction in the spars, which will be the negative of the F components.


Watching a film at present, so response may take a while.


Thank youu so much! I think I got it, I need to think of the struts as axis and extend them right?? I solved another question of that sort and I think I got it but what happens if there are more than 2 struts,, here's a question
My main problem is graphing the forces if you can explain how we do that maybe I can take it from there
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Original post by jemadore
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I presume you'v covered a bit more material since the last question, and have other techniques available.

OK. When you are working out your components, you are in effect expressing the given force as the vector sum of the components.

Here you are told what one of the components is, so if you subtract this component from the 2000-lb force, the resultant can then be expressed as the sum of the two remaining forces, and you are down to the normal situation you had before.


PS: If you need more input, it would help to know what additional material you've covered.

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