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Reply 20
Original post by S.R
I totally get you OP. I see so many dead average boring ass no life girls on fb bleating on about how they want the perfect prince charming. And to cap it all off if you were to point out that they are not that great themselves you get an army of "dnt listen to him bbz ur beautiful as u are". I think you have highlighted a major issue amongst females; that they are more averse to self-improvement than males.


Maybe in the UK. In Switzerland it' crazy how many girls go to the gym (and on the stepper, too, to tone their bum while doing cardio).

If you were talking in terms of improving ones personality, that is a tough issues, because to do that you have to think something needs improvement. And maybe this is just the way girls are and don't see a need to "improve".

Finally, your comment about Facebook is naive. Girls are drama queens to a bigger or lesser extent, how can you even start to believe what they post on Facebook reflects their normal, true attitude/belief?
Reply 21
Original post by kunoichi
I have the perfect bf :biggrin:
He is all of the qualities you listed above, (well except rich but tbh money doesnt matter to me anyway)

Yes i feel i deserve him.

I put lots of effort into the relationship and my looks etc, i would never cheat, I love him to bits and constantly show him that.
We live together and i cook, clean and look after him generally which he appreciates as he works more than me, and doesnt like doing these things.
I buy him little presents to show him i care.

How do you know these girls dont do anything to deserve their bf's? You might not be able to see what is going on in the relationship as you are not part of it.


Way to bring women back to the 1950s...

ps I appreciate some women want this life, but my point was that you saying you are doing this in order to deserve this bf of yours.
Reply 22
Original post by edithwashere
I'm a woman, and quite frankly all the assumptions about women you've made do not apply to me. There are over 3 billion women on the planet, and I would (quite rightly) assume that they differ hugely in their behaviour and beliefs. Please do not tar us all with the same brush, because it's quite unpleasant and unfair.


But I will tar you with the same brush if you can't even read the second line of a post :facepalm2:


Original post by Nomes89
That's unfair, the dynamics of male friendships and female ones are completely different; whereas it's quite normal to insult friends as a guy, this is totally unacceptable and 'bitchy' behaviour for girls.


This is the problem - it is not an insult. Some people are not smart, some people are not attractive, and some are overweight. These are facts. The fact that people think it is an insult is the problem as there is a stark difference between honesty and insults.



I don't think girls are any more unrealistic than guys and as for girls 'not refusing to change', does this apply to the numerous guys on the these threads who feel equally entitled because they are 'nice' - an undefined, abstract notion they have awarded themselves with. They refuse to 'chase' (read make an effort) and are usually neither interesting, nor confident or athletically built. Why is one ok and acceptable but when females display preferences they get a 'how dare they' style response? Why can guys demand in-shape, interesting and confident women but a woman wanting the same in a man is a 'princess' and 'unrealistic'. Tbh I don't know any women who actually expect the kind of guy you described.


Those "nice guys" are just pussies who want an excuse to why they have failed. They too are just as guilty as these women, but I would argue that they are far fewer in number than women who want Mr Perfect yet are 300lbs and their only hobby is facebook.

Original post by danny111
Way to bring women back to the 1950s...

ps I appreciate some women want this life, but my point was that you saying you are doing this in order to deserve this bf of yours.


But why is that bad? Women have never been more depressed than they are today, thus maybe housework is better for them? :K:
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Reply 23
Original post by Jimbo1234
But why is that bad? Women have never been more depressed than they are today, thus maybe housework is better for them? :K:


1. Figures please.

2. Because I know that men are more depressive than women. Maybe men should do housework, too?
Original post by Jimbo1234
Because it gave birth to the concept that women had a "right" to get anything they want because they are a woman.
The truth is that no one has a "right", but that everything has to be earned. If you want a good job, do a good degree. Want a good man? Work on yourself and earn him by being interesting, confident, in good shape etc.


This is not feminism. Feminism suggested to women for the first time that a) they didn't just have to 'get married' and b) when they did, they didn't have to confine themselves to cooking, cleaning and putting up with a husband who came home and expected to be waited on hand-and-foot.

The idea that feminism means there is a 'right' to a 'perfect man' is bs. That may be how some people have interpreted it, but that is a lazy interpretation of feminism, not feminism itself.
Original post by CoffeeStinks
I think people in general want the best for themselves [...] I don't think it's a girl only or guy only issue but a human issue.


This.

You won't get many people saying "I'm pretty average, so I won't wish for someone I believe to be perfect. Average or just below will do." For those who do say such things: well society tells us to question their self confidence.

I want the perfect girlfriend and I won't settle for any less. Why should I? The important thing for everyone else to realise is that, like beauty, perfection is subjective. I want the girlfriend who will be best for me - and everyone else deserves the partner who is best for them.

To aspire for such a person is not "princess syndrome". The people the OP seems to describe are just spoiled brats... and you get male versions of them.
BLAME TWILIGHT

i feel for the guys who are like 13/14/15 now....in a couple years when those twilight girls who are the same age start sniffing around for a lover boy, they will want either a werewolf or a vampire, with a romantic relationship which is dramatic and threatened because of differences between our 2 species....

"I'm just not into you anymore....you don't have a thirst for blood".

There is going to be a TON of single perfectly nice chaps trying to convince the princesses that a boyfriend doesn't have to have a darker sexier side. It's fine to just grow old in a council house in Wallyford.
Reply 27
Original post by danny111
Maybe in the UK. In Switzerland it' crazy how many girls go to the gym (and on the stepper, too, to tone their bum while doing cardio).

If you were talking in terms of improving ones personality, that is a tough issues, because to do that you have to think something needs improvement. And maybe this is just the way girls are and don't see a need to "improve".

Finally, your comment about Facebook is naive. Girls are drama queens to a bigger or lesser extent, how can you even start to believe what they post on Facebook reflects their normal, true attitude/belief?

I'm mostly talking about personality. While you will regularly hear of guys saying they will take steps to improve their confidence or be more funny it is unheard of to hear a girl say she will make a resolution to be less bitchy or dull.
Original post by Cephalus

This forum (and many others I'm sure) are just full of moaning females.



What?

WHAT.

This forum is full of boys constantly criticising women and feminism, full of sour bitter guys. Very rare in real life have I ever met a boy with such anti-feminist hateful and demeaning opinions of women. There is always a thread to be had where boys are moaning about women going for tools, women's ****ed up logic, how women are now treating men like crap and apparently we are now in a social crises where sexism has been reversed, how women are completely shaped by the media, can't think for themselves, are shallow, boring, do nothing and expect everything. And it all derives from the same problem. I can be so so sure that if the OP had a girlfriend, he would not be saying this. So rather than look at half of the population and blame them, I suggest he look at himself.
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Original post by Jimbo1234
Disclaimers:

this is a generalisation from what I have seen

the average guy is not great either





So why is it that the modern girl/woman feels that she is entitled to the perfect boyfriend? :holmes:

To clarify, you see girls demanding that they have a boyfriend who is either a contradiction (the man who is confident, ambitious, career focused, but reserved, sensitive, and a family man :lolwut: ), or perfect eg. rich, good looking, perfect body, and a nice guy.....yet the girl just sits around pissing hours away on facebook/the internet, has no hobbies/ is utterly boring, and can't spell exercise let alone do any?

So why does the modern girl feel that they are entitled to the perfect man and the perfect life yet they do nothing to deserve or earn this?
What is more alarming, is that when you remind these people that they are human and that you have to try at life, they argue that men should either lower their standards/not try/be open minded/insert femlogic here and that they should be given everything they want because they are simply entitled to it.

Why is this? :curious:

Personally, I blame feminism and the media.
If someone turns around and tells a girl to sort out their issues and to try at life, they are either a bitch or a chauvinist (depending on gender of course). This in turn allows girls to demand anything and it is deemed inappropriate to tell them to get a grip on reality - or as I call it, Princess syndrome.



The girls who reject you probably don't even have high standards but because they won't give you a chance you assume she wants all of that and thats the reason you have been rejected. You assume that you're great but not quite perfect and that she is being unfair when really there are probably a few valid reasons why you are just not likeable. A girl is not a bitch or a "princess" for not liking you. Girls aren't that strict when it comes to boyfriend material even if they do say all that. Just like guys might love to have a kim kardashian who cooks and makes sandwhiches like nigella lawson but sucks your dick like a pornstar and has a degree from oxford...they know its never going to happen.
Reply 30
Original post by SophiaKeuning
What?

WHAT.

This forum is full of boys constantly criticising women and feminism, full of sour bitter guys. Very rare in real life have I ever met a boy with such anti-feminist hateful and demeaning opinions of women. There is always a thread to be had where boys are moaning about women going for tools, women's ****ed up logic, how women are now treating men like crap and apparently we are now in a social crises where sexism has been reversed, how women are completely shaped by the media, can't think for themselves, are shallow, boring, do nothing and expect everything. And it all derives from the same problem. I can be so so sure that if the OP had a girlfriend, he would not be saying this. So rather than look at half of the population and blame them, I suggest he look at himself.


You sound incredibly bitter.

Is there something you would like to share with the forum? Perhaps make a thread :colone:
Original post by S.R
I'm mostly talking about personality. While you will regularly hear of guys saying they will take steps to improve their confidence or be more funny it is unheard of to hear a girl say she will make a resolution to be less bitchy or dull.


A bitchy/dull won't bother improving herself if she gets male attention (which wouldn't be her fault). The ones that don't get any male interest probably do make attempts to change themselves.
Original post by Chillywilly93
BLAME TWILIGHT

i feel for the guys who are like 13/14/15 now....in a couple years when those twilight girls who are the same age start sniffing around for a lover boy, they will want either a werewolf or a vampire, with a romantic relationship which is dramatic and threatened because of differences between our 2 species....

"I'm just not into you anymore....you don't have a thirst for blood".

There is going to be a TON of single perfectly nice chaps trying to convince the princesses that a boyfriend doesn't have to have a darker sexier side. It's fine to just grow old in a council house in Wallyford.


Well guess what? What about porn, slutty magazines, pop music videos, every single medium of the media? What kind of ideas and entitlement do you think could give men?

However, I am not so idiotic to say that all men are mindless copycats. Yes they are influenced by it, but you see, I realise that all men are different. I can not believe that you could say such a thing about women, do you really think they are so dumb? My God. Calling all girls princesses and making such asinine judgments is sexist. And I know so many guys on here would disagree with what I am saying completely. In real life it is such a different story, thank God. And you all wonder why you have no girls in your life.


The way you guys talk is scary. 'How dare women have a right to want a good man? DAMN FEMINISM! It ruined everything!'
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Original post by danny111
Way to bring women back to the 1950s...

ps I appreciate some women want this life, but my point was that you saying you are doing this in order to deserve this bf of yours.


Im sorry but are you really suggesting that when in a relationship you should just stop trying to look your best and be presentable?
Original post by Cephalus
You sound incredibly bitter.

Is there something you would like to share with the forum? Perhaps make a thread :colone:


Bitter about TSR boys, yes. It's scary the way that a lot of you seem to hate women. But as I said in my post, thank god guys in real life do not think this way. So I'm not bitter about males, just that this student forum has constant threads where men group together and slag off women. You've disregarded my post completely. But I've seen your posts here before, so though I quoted you I actually didn't want a conversation to you. Just used your post to get my point across.
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Original post by SophiaKeuning
Well guess what? What about porn, slutty magazines, pop music videos, every single medium of the media? What kind of ideas and entitlement do you think could give men?

However, I am not so idiotic to say that all men are mindless copycats. Yes they are influenced by it, but you see, I realise that all men are different. I can not believe that you could say such a thing about women, do you really think they are so dumb? My God. Calling all girls princesses and making such asinine judgments is sexist. And I know so many guys on here would disagree with what I am saying completely. In real life it is such a different story, thank God. And you all wonder why you have no girls in your life.


The way you guys talk is scary. 'How dare women have a right to want a good man? DAMN FEMINISM! It ruined everything!'


A think a special someone needs a hug


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Original post by Jimbo1234
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But why is that bad? Women have never been more depressed than they are today, thus maybe housework is better for them? :K:



Cause, causation and correlation. Learn the relationship between them. Women are more depressed than ever. Does that mean they would be happier if homosexuality wasn't legal? No-that's jumping to conclusions.

To be honest, I'd be more likely to fall into depression being forced to be a housewife than having freedom and a choice to either do that or whatever else I aspire too.
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Reply 37
Original post by danny111
1. Figures please.

2. Because I know that men are more depressive than women. Maybe men should do housework, too?


1. Go use google. If you can't, then it is pointless debating with you.
2. Look at the rate of increase in depression amongst women in the last 30 years compared to men.


Original post by flying plum
This is not feminism. Feminism suggested to women for the first time that a) they didn't just have to 'get married' and b) when they did, they didn't have to confine themselves to cooking, cleaning and putting up with a husband who came home and expected to be waited on hand-and-foot.

The idea that feminism means there is a 'right' to a 'perfect man' is bs. That may be how some people have interpreted it, but that is a lazy interpretation of feminism, not feminism itself.


But feminism made women feel guilty for being a woman and choosing the housewife option over a career, ergo pressurised them into a life they do not like. This then made women feel like they had to compete with men and were then entitled to anything because they were a woman. Yes, that is not what feminism intended, but like any extreme movement, it has/was hijacked by extremists who really screwed it up.


Original post by ilovefashion90
The girls who reject you probably don't even have high standards but because they won't give you a chance you assume she wants all of that and thats the reason you have been rejected. You assume that you're great but not quite perfect and that she is being unfair when really there are probably a few valid reasons why you are just not likeable. A girl is not a bitch or a "princess" for not liking you. Girls aren't that strict when it comes to boyfriend material even if they do say all that. Just like guys might love to have a kim kardashian who cooks and makes sandwhiches like nigella lawson but sucks your dick like a pornstar and has a degree from oxford...they know its never going to happen.


See, you prove my point and do yourself no favours.
Rather than addressing the points, you jump straight to insults and utterly absurd assumptions :rolleyes:
Why?
Why did you do this rather than addressing my points? You proved my point about women being unable to think that they did something wrong and immediately jumped to "Derp, he must have been rejected" :daydreaming:


Original post by Sheldor
Cause, causation and correlation. Learn the relationship between them. Women are more depressed than ever. Does that mean they would be happier if homosexuality wasn't legal? No-that's jumping to conclusions.

To be honest, I'd be more likely to fall into depression being forced to be a housewife than having freedom and a choice to either do that or whatever else I aspire too.


Homosexuality has nothing to do with women, so that is a random and silly link.
However saying that women are more depressed than ever (fact) and that their lifestyle has never been so different (fact) are probably linked is just sound logic.

Why would you fall into depression? Why do you need the freedom of choice? Men don't and research shows you shouldn't either.


Original post by SophiaKeuning
What?

WHAT.

This forum is full of boys constantly criticising women and feminism, full of sour bitter guys. Very rare in real life have I ever met a boy with such anti-feminist hateful and demeaning opinions of women. There is always a thread to be had where boys are moaning about women going for tools, women's ****ed up logic, how women are now treating men like crap and apparently we are now in a social crises where sexism has been reversed, how women are completely shaped by the media, can't think for themselves, are shallow, boring, do nothing and expect everything. And it all derives from the same problem. I can be so so sure that if the OP had a girlfriend, he would not be saying this. So rather than look at half of the population and blame them, I suggest he look at himself.


Actually there is a problem. To deny that is just...denial. Unless of course you have counter evidence to women being depressed, extreme masturbation etc.
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This is true. A girl I know thought she was entitled to the perfect man and kept moaning that no such guy would take an interest in her blah blah blah. Grated my ears for weeks listening to this nonsense because aside from this constant whinging she is an otherwise nice girl. In the end I just point blank said 'its because you are fat and hardly ever go out' just because it was painful listening to the same monotonous **** every day. She needed to be told however harsh it sounds. I did ask her out before that and she said no which further annoyed me into giving her a reality check. I am fairly average looking myself but no I am not entitled to a princess looking girl. I told her these guys she is after are the type of guy who want a gym going girlfriend and a girl who is very social but she has none of it so I have moved on now and have another girlfriend who is not what most guys would regard as stunning but she knows she is entitled to an average person just as much as I am. We are happy together.

Needless to say, the girl is still single and will be until she realises she is living in dream world.
Original post by SophiaKeuning
Bitter about TSR boys, yes. It's scary the way that a lot of you seem to hate women. But as I said in my post, thank god guys in real life do not think this way. So I'm not bitter about males, just that this student forum has constant threads where men group together and slag off women. You've disregarded my post completely. But I've seen your posts here before, so though I quoted you I actually didn't want a conversation to you. Just used your post to get my point across.


Correction: Thank God guys in real life don't openly admit to thinking this way.

I'm not saying all guys think like this, just that the ones who do won't openly admit to it; they only have to confidence to say in online where they are anonymous (rightfully so, it would be more stupid than confident to say these things in public).

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