Men, what does feminism mean to you?

While strictly speaking, "feminism" is supposed to refer to advocating equal rights and opportunities for women, it carries with it the connotation of women who wish to create a society which effectively makes taboo/ignores any differences between women, who have some disdain for the fact that there are different societal and cultural expectations of men and women, or who will actively do things typically considered as "male" behaviour, as though daring someone to comment on the fact that it is strange for them to do so, since they are female.

However what I can't stand is women saying in one breath that they want to be treated equally and in the same breath complain about men not treating women like princesses anymore.

The latter branch is so small as to practically not exist. Its a massively exaggerated phenomenon that people use to rationalise their gut dislike of a movement that pushes cultural equality for women.

Its like pointing at an abortion clinic bombing and then getting angry about how Christianity is a terrorist movement.

Feminism to me is the view that women deserve more rights than men or should somehow be treated as higher-class citizens; that we shouldn't be allowed to think and speak against women.

It's not an advocation of "equal rights".

I don't even believe in equal rights, nor do I don't believe in women's rights. I believe in human rights.

Men, what does feminism mean to you? How would you define feminism?

ITT a load of ignorant guys whose understanding of feminism is limited to the level of the daily mail

Yeah, admittedly it is smaller than the other one. I don't really see feminism as an active 'movement' any more though, more as a belief or determination which individual people may hold, and I know a few people who would fit into the latter bracket.

ITT a load of guys whose anti-male ex-girlfriends were "feminists".
As for your cartoon... look, I can make cartoons too!

What's great is that they are both just as meaningful!

Do you understand the point the cartoon is trying to convey?

The idea that "feminists" want to emasculate men and deny biological differences between men and women etc is just bull****, made up nonsense.

Mhm, just deny all our experiences. G'wan. Women are never wrong, after all, right?

Can you point me to some mainstream feminist literature or writers who advocate this?

Or are you willing to admit its a total straw man?

You are doing it again. More straw men.

Please tell me about your experiences though - who did you meet or read? what did they say?

An outdated movement that assumes campaigning for more things for women will lead to equality. Those used to be the same thing back when women were oppressed, but now you'd be hard-pressed to find any right men have that women don't, and it's quite easy to find places where the law benefits women against men.

Why would I need to point to "mainstream feminist literature or writers" who advocate this? The subtle connotations of a word aren't decided by mainstream authors, they're determined by general usage.

What I described happens to be what a lot of people will immediately think of when they hear the word "feminist", as you can see on this thread.

Oh I have a whole bank of bull**** feminists have thrown at me. One particular one from my last ex-girlfriend: "but you're the guy, how come you rarely buy me gifts or presents?.
The situation: she attended an all-girls academy secondary school and sixth form, where posters advertising "your body, your decision. Don't let his opinion change your mind" were splattered about.

Oh another good one I remember from another feminist was, "women are exactly as equal as men" but when the car insurance thing popped up... "why should we have to pay as much as them?? We don't drive as badly as them", which was a change from the typical sexist view.

I agree with you that legally we have equality in this country, but sexism and sexist attitudes are still rife, particularly with regards to double standards, for example 'slut shaming', and the normalization of sexism through the media, in music videos especially. I know the latter is a cliche but it's true, and without trying to be rude, I don't think you can fully understand how it feels to be constantly bombarded with sexualised images of members of your gender who are being objectified. How is it acceptable to make songs like Akon's 'Smack That' 'I wanna **** you' and then there's the song 'Carry Out', which is possibly the most sexist modern song I've heard.

Perhaps it's more subtle nowadays, but I still personally think inequality is an issue.

Real feminists oppose the car insurance gender discrimination issue. The whole point of feminism is that that kind of stuff is bad for everyone, of both genders

All you are doing here is associating negative behaviours that have literally nothing to do with feminism, with feminists, and then claiming that this makes feminism wrong. Can't you see that this is a fallacy?

I think you know far less about feminism than you think you do.