[Dani385]

(Original post by Howard)
Oh. Are there lots of asylum seekers/immigrants in Leeds? Never been there myself.

Loads.

[Agent Smith]

(Original post by yawn)
The thing that makes Lewisham 'nice' is the people who live there.

I really miss it, you know.
Having a laugh, 'innit with me black bros (eating curried goat, rice and peas)
Sharing houmous with my Greek friends in their back gardens, whilst dancing to Zorbra and smashing plates over our heads.
Being invited to dinner to sample the delights of genuine Morrocan cuisine.
Praising the Lord in Church with Cynthia (our choir's Gospel music expert)
Dissing the smell of Singapore airport on approach with my mate from Singpore!
Having the honour of being chief bridesmaid at my Nigerian friends' wedding.
Enjoying the 'craic' with my Irish mates.
Trying to do a 'sword dance' and falling over into the arms of a handsome Scottish bloke.
Teaching English to a friend from Rio de Janeiro and him trying to teach me to drive.
Just generally enjoying all the diversity that comes from exploring friendships with people from other places.

Heehee, no need to overdo it. You've made the point.

[yawn]

(Original post by ArthurOliver)
Yawn, if that is racism - a people wanting to retain their dominance and hold over their homeland - then the word "racism" should be ditched. It is implied anyway in the terms "people," "nation," and "human nature".

One wonders how Shakespeare, the translators of the bible, Milton, et al, managed to discuss race and nation issues without the useless neologism - could I be right?

The fear of someone 'taking over' who is different to oneself comes from ignorance., whatever slant is put on it.

It festers distrust, disgust and parochialism, excluding those who look different, eat differently, and talk with a different accent or language.

If I came amongst you and you went on personal appearance, you would accept me without reservation.

If my black, caribbean brother was to do the same thing, how would you react? If my Somalian sister came amongst you, how would you react? If my Bantu mother came amongst you, how would you react.

I see the world as belonging to mankind - I have been welcomed with open arms into other countries - I try to extend the same welcome to those who come into this country.

[Dani385]

(Original post by yawn)
The thing that makes Lewisham 'nice' is the people who live there.

I really miss it, you know.
Having a laugh, 'innit with me black bros (eating curried goat, rice and peas)
Sharing houmous with my Greek friends in their back gardens, whilst dancing to Zorbra and smashing plates over our heads.
Being invited to dinner to sample the delights of genuine Morrocan cuisine.
Praising the Lord in Church with Cynthia (our choir's Gospel music expert)
Dissing the smell of Singapore airport on approach with my mate from Singpore!
Having the honour of being chief bridesmaid at my Nigerian friends' wedding.
Enjoying the 'craic' with my Irish mates.
Trying to do a 'sword dance' and falling over into the arms of a handsome Scottish bloke.
Teaching English to a friend from Rio de Janeiro and him trying to teach me to drive.
Just generally enjoying all the diversity that comes from exploring friendships with people from other places.

What I don't understand, is that if people want to live like that, why don't they find an uninhabited island somewhere and do it there? Why does my country have to be used as the world's largest homeless shelter?

[Ferrus]

(Original post by Howard)
Oh. Are there lots of asylum seekers/immigrants in Leeds? Never been there myself.

I heard there was a football team there once too.

[Dani385]

(Original post by yawn)
The fear of someone 'taking over' who is different to oneself comes from ignorance., whatever slant is put on it.

Why didn't we just roll out the red carpet for the Nazis when they tried to take over?

[Agent Smith]

Some of us did, and look where that got them. Historically, the British far right's flings with political success do not last long. Touch wood.

[yawn]

(Original post by Flux)
Sounds horrible, we used to have regional diversity and if you wanted something a bit different you could go to another part of the country or abroad and see something a bit different. But it was always nice to come home and know what you are coming home to.

Now if I want to see women wearing ninja masks I just have to go into town. And that's not how we do things in Britain.

Who's we? I'm white, I'm born and bred in Britain (England actually) That's how I, and many others "do things in Britain".

Why are you different?

[yawn]

(Original post by Dani385)
What I don't understand, is that if people want to live like that, why don't they find an uninhabited island somewhere and do it there? Why does my country have to be used as the world's largest homeless shelter?

Our country is not been used as the world's largest homeless shelter.

Another distortion of fact to further a racist cause?

[Agent Smith]

@Flux:

Except for Oswald Moseley, of course.

[Dani385]

(Original post by Flux)
Back then people had some pride in their country and didn't just want to hand it over to foreigners.

Yeah....don't you ever wonder where it all went wrong?

[Dani385]

(Original post by yawn)
Our country is not been used as the world's largest homeless shelter.

Another distortion of fact to further a racist cause?

I didn't imagine all those asylum seekers.

[yawn]

(Original post by Dani385)
Why didn't we just roll out the red carpet for the Nazis when they tried to take over?

That attempt at analogy is silly, to say the least.

[Dani385]

(Original post by yawn)
That attempt at analogy is silly, to say the least.

Why is it though? I don't see what the difference is.

[yawn]

The BNP has obviously instructed all its 'disciples' to go out onto the highways and byways today, to try to capitalise on the small amount of success it had in the local elections.

What is it? Out of over 8,000 local council, BNP has 50 odd. Hardly significant.

[Ferrus]

(Original post by yawn)
Our country is not been used as the world's largest homeless shelter.

I wouldn't know, not being a citizen of the Vatican City state. (Once again this is not a serious remark)

[uefacup81]

(Original post by Howard)
Democracy at the barrel of a gun (or under threat of fines) isn't my idea of what democracy is all about.

No-one would be forced to pick a party, all that people would be forced to do would be to put a ballot paper in the box. Whether they mark it or not is up to them.

[ArthurOliver]

guessedworker @majorityrights.com wrote a good analysis of the YouGov poll which found strong support for BNP policies but a taboo on expressing that support when the BNP source was known. (something democrats should be concerned about)

Put very simply, these findings show that:-

a) Even after all the decades of establishment propaganda a majority of six out of ten the people who are currently living in this country supports normal, healthy racial interests for its natives. If one strips out the non-natives from those who oppose it the figure becomes about two-thirds of natives.

b) That two-thirds will be, after so much propaganda, fairly “hard”. However, within it the effects of the propaganda still obtain when the BNP is mentioned to the tune of a 19% shift to non-support. It is, therefore, reasonable to extrapolate that there is also a softness, perhaps of similar size, to opinion among natives against self-interest. Thus, were the propaganda to lose its power, the two-thirds of native opinion might well become three-quarters. This would seem to me to be a minimum standard of self-interest for any healthy people, and quite enough to correct our woes politically.

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/...cies/#comments

As the taboo weakens because more are willing to oppose it's racist double standard and the racial and cultural divisions in our society become more problematic, the BNP will gather fresh momentum from every small victory such as yesterday's.

The natural and healthy concerns of the majority will once more have a place in the political debate. The major parties are already making conciliatory noises in that direction as a result of yesterday's results - but their clear self-interest in the issue and historic betrayal will be noted and remebered.

[yawn]

(Original post by Flux)
Different means and reasoning, same end.

Depends if you equate immigration with oppressive and undemocratic occupation.

[Agent Smith]

What is this negative stigma attached to the phrase "homeless shelter"? Is a little charity out of the question? And more to the point, why does being homeless automatically make you a Bad Lot?